Idiots with Technology (the end user strikes back)

Inspired by Fluiddruid’s IT thread.
Now I am sure that every IT person here on the dope gives the greatest IT service known to man, and never give bad, or stupid or just plain wrong instructions.
Unfortunately not all IT people are smart as IT dopers.
So let’s see the stories from the other end of the phone.

MS Outlook (for example) won’t connect to the exchange server. I hit retry, close and re open the program, do a restart on the machine, still won’t connect. I do a full shut down, and cold boot. Still no joy. I call the idiots playing with technology department.
I describe each step that I have already taken, including full text of each and every error message (I write them down, just to be sure)
IT: OK hit start -> shut down ->restart
me: I have already done that
IT: Just do it
me: fine
::: 5 minutes later:::
me: I am getting the same error message as before
IT: OK do a full shut down and then restart the machine
me: I have already done that
IT: just do it
me: You do realize that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
Lather rinse repeat.
(To tell the truth this was only from 1/2 the first level IT people, the others would say, Oh hi Rick, OK you have done the simple shit, let’s skip ahead and find the problem)

Or here is a great one. I was a remote user. I hooked to the main office LAN maybe once or twice a year. About 1/2 of the end users in my company were remote users so I was not the only one.
Message pops in the middle of my day while logged into VPN using broadband There is at least one SDS load waiting for your machine, please reboot as soon as possible to load this important patch. First off I had no idea why the Students for a Democratic Society wanted to put patches on my operating system, but who am I to argue? Anyway the part that makes this pit worthy is the fact that these very important patches would not load across VPN they would only load when connected to the LAN in the office. This meant two things: First I would see these very annoying messages every fucking day at odd times until my next trip to the office. Secondly when I did go back to headquarters, it meant that I could not use my machine for 3 or 4 hours as all of those patches had to load one right after the other. :rolleyes:

OK here is another wonderful one. We used a secur-ID +PIN to log into the VPN for work. I was in Vancouver BC in a remote training center, and I for some reason could not log in. I call the no-help-whatsoever desk. I explain to them that I am remote, I am in Canada, and despite my building location in their computer (showed me working at headquarters, where my boss sat) I was infact in a little tiny building all by myself. They resynchronize my secur-ID, no joy. They try to tell me I don’t have internet access. This is not correct as I have been surfing the dope while on hold waiting for you. After 30 minutes of this and that they say they I need to have someone do something to my password. (The pain was so great, I have blocked out just what needed to be done) They tell me that I need to have someone that is that is on the LAN, and therefore behind the firewall do this procedure. I explain to her that I am not on the LAN, I am remote. She says well it might work VPN get one of your co-workers to do it. I explain that I am the only employee in the building. She does not believe me, and tells me to go get the guy in the next cubicle to do it. :smack:
I asked her straight out, “What part of I am the only Ford employee in this building” wasn’t clear?
I said you are on the network and behind the firewall you do it. “No we are not allowed to do this procedure.” Scuse me, but WTF? over.
She then told me that I could get someone to do it over the phone and she would e mail me the instructions.
Me: Excuse me, but if I can’t log into VPN just how am I supposed to pick up this email off of the exchange server?
Her: :eek: <- (sound of her head assploding)
Me: Would you like to send it to my Gmail account?
So I call my boss on the other end of the country to get him to help me. Turns out he is in meetings, and can’t get free to help me so he calls his boss. Same story. I wound up with a vice-president on the phone. The procedure of course did not fix the problem, but when my VP called the VP of IT, it was kinda funny just how fast second level was on the phone to me. Turns out there was a problem on their end, nothing wrong on my end.

Or maybe there was the time they sent me a new laptop with the screen saver locked on with a 5 minutes access time, and password protected. I use my laptop in class with PowerPoint, and often would stay on a single slide for 20 minutes while we discussed the info contained. IT could not understand why I thought a 5 minute lock out with password was a problem. It was for security you see (Like I had the account numbers and passwords to Bill Ford’s checkbook. ) :rolleyes:

Or the time one my cow-orkers messed with the DSL settings in one of my training center and made it so only 4 computers in the building could access the net. did they call tech support? Hell no, Rick will be here next week, Rick can fix anything. So after class (2PM) I call tech support. I wait on hold for ever, then go through all 1st level stuff, till the tech says, I know what the problem is, but it is 2nd level, here is your case number, and I will transfer you. I wait on hold some more. At 5:29 I get connected to 2nd level. At 5:30 exactly the phone disconnects. At this point I am screaming at the telephone. I am not kidding. I am screaming at the top of my lungs about how I waited for 3.5 hours to get disconnected just before I can get the problem fixed. I call back and get the recording that they are open from 6AM to 5:30PM west coast time. Fuck off and die if you need help outside those hours. So the next morning I drag my ass into the office at 6:01AM and call. It still took 30 minutes to get a warm body on the phone. Thank OG I had written down the 2nd level case number.

I could go on for another page or so, but how about some info from the rest of you end users.

IT people. A dime a dozen.
Intelligent IT people. A dime a dozen.
Really, really smart IT people. Still a dime a dozen.
Genius IT people. Mmmm, dime a dozen.

An IT person that knows how to communicate with non-IT folk. Priceless.

My particular favourite help desk related story is the time I called the help desk for my bank’s website, and while explaining how to fix a problem, the guy told me to enter an IP address. The instructions were along the lines of ‘Okay, now type nine dot twenty nine–that’s dot, like a period that ends a sentence.’

Earlier in the call, we’d established that I’d been using the website successfully for a year or so, and the problem that cropped up was recent. I’m not sure how someone who has been using the web for a year could possibly be presumed to need an explanation on what the dot in an address is.

Ok, I’ll got for the other side of it:

Called about my phone, and the fact it wouldn’t charge after one morning. I get told to go to the store. After about 5 minutes of fiddling, I get the , “It’s borked.” “Well, can it be fixed?” “No.” Went home, pulled the cover off, and despite having no knowledge of phones anyway, was able to resolder a new lead wire that had burnt out. Amazing.

How about the fine folks at Apple that sent back an iPod “fixed”? Except that it was a new iPod. Somewhere out there is an iPod with a small X sctratched into the top with my initials next to it.

Oooh, the Circuit City FireFucks that said my videocamera was broken. Or, it had no tape in it, as I found out. After inserting a tape when I got home (the whole reason why I brought it in), it played fine. Well, at least I was able to sell the new camera on eFence.

Want to keep going? How about the fine folks at GameStop? Telling me, when I just got a SATA drive, that the PC game won’t work on SATA because, “Windows machines don’t use those kind of drives.” But, when talking about PS2 or Xbox games, they know exactly how to push the latest stuff.
RadioHack? The guys that told me, when I needed an IDE cable, that a USB is “the same thing, but faster and better.”

The list goes on and on.

Hahaha!!!

I’m on the shoot on sight list at Suckit City because I give people USB cables for free instead of letting them charge $22 for them. That and one of them tried to tell me HP didn’t make laser printers, just laptops.

FireDog pfft…

I thought it was pretty well understood round here that Radio Shack’s motto is “You’ve got questions, we’ve got blank expressions on our faces.”

The database we have here at work is homegrown, written on SQL, and lives on our server (we have employees in an office across the country that also use it.) About once a week, I will start getting random 404 error messgaes when I try to get from one section to another. Of course, when we call the off-site guy we pay by the hour to fix these kinds of things, his first response is always, “It’s not supposed to do that.” Yeh, I know, hence the call.

Also, whenever something really goes squirrelly with the program, it’s because he’s trying out new things with our program that’s live, and not the back-up or test version.

My favorite was a guy at Frye’s who tried to convince me that I couldn’t install Windows on a machine that shipped with the Linspire operating system installed.

me: “Yeah, I’ll take that computer.”
him: “You realize that’s running Linspire, not Windows, right? We had a bunch of people return these computers.”
me: “That’s okay. I’ll get a copy of Windows and put it on there.”
him: “You can’t. That machine is made for Linux.”
me: : :confused: “What do you mean? I can’t erase the OS and put Windows on it?”
him: “No. It’ll only run Linux.”
me: “How is that possible?”
him: “I don’t know…the computer only works with Linux.”

Now, one would think he was trying to upsell me or something, but I seriously think this guy simply had no freaking clue what he was talking about. It did make me pause to walk away and think about who the idiot in the situation was. Maybe there is some esoteric Linux-only box being sold at a consumer electronics store I didn’t know about.

I bought it anyway. I get home and guess what’s in the user manual? Instructions on how to install Windows on the computer if you don’t want to deal with Linspire.

I lost access to my incoming Outlook email. I could send, but not receive. I did all the preliminary stuff, checking my .pst files, making sure I had the correct exchange server, doing an inbox repair, etc. I verified my personal post office (.pst) files were under the size limit, and archived some stuff, just to be on the safe side. I re-created my archive folders with the new .pst format Microsoft introduced in Outlook 2003, which supports larger sizes and doesn’t get corrupted as easily. I even did some advanced troubleshooting by removing the .pst files and creating new ones(so I would be sure they were empty). Then I log into the webmail interface for Exchange and my server-side inbox is empty, so it’s a problem on the server-side. If my inbox on the server is empty, when I know I’ve got mail because I had my team send me some test messages. Still, no mail is coming in.

I call tech support. I hate doing this, but the process to get admin rights on the exchange servers so I can fix the issue myself is worse. I get a guy in India. No problem, I’ve been officially declared half Desi by my office mates, I have better luck in communicating across the linguistic and culture barriers than most. I tell them about the blank inbox on the webmail client which means it isn’t anything on my local machine at all. They tell me to check my inbox size, and argue with me saying my inbox was too full, the server-side limit is XX megabytes. I explain, patiently and calmly, that I don’t use the server-side storage, I download all messages to local .pst files. Then they check those and say they’re too large. I patiently and calmly point them to the specifications for the .pst files and show how mine are well within the limits as documented by Microsoft. I share my desktop and let them remote control it. They send some test messages and they don’t work, as I told them it wouldn’t.

Tier 2. I go through the same thing, but this time with a US based tech. He, after seeing the blank server-side inbox, checks the server-side properties of my account. Hmm, it seems my email address has changed unexpectedly. We’re in the process of spinning off another company and some employees are seperating from us to work with them, so they’re getting re-homed to separate IT infrastructure. I’m not one of these employees. My email address is now myname@spinco versus myname@parentco, and the server is routing inbound messages to the other company’s servers instead of ours. The other server is gleefully dropping them because I don’t work there.

We escalate to the server ops group and tell them to fix my email address. It’s been a day and a half at this point. What, you thought I was kidding when I talked about being patient and calm? I was really patient and calm. The next morning they had it fixed, but no idea how it happened(of course I know this is bullshit, someone ran a crappy query when extracting the names of transitioning employees), and regrettably, there is no way to recover my messages(also expected).

Still, I’m pretty zen about the whole thing. What can I say, an empty inbox relaxes me.

Enjoy,
Steven

Dealing with Fry’s is great fun if you know what you’re doing.

My laptop has a know bug, namely the heatsink tends to get dusty, and it goes into thermal shutdown with less and less activity. About 18 months ago this happened, I brought it in, it got fixed, no worries. It happened again recently, I brought it in, told them exactly what was wrong, and went my way with my (sucky) loaner.

So I get a call one Sunday evening from a Fry’s repair droid. “We need your authorization to reload Windows. It will cost $70.”
Me: Why the hell do you want to do that?
Droid: It failed the stress test, and passed the diags.
Me: Exactly as I expected. (I then told them what the problem was again.) No way you are reloading Windows. It won’t do any damn good.
Droid: Well then we have to send it to Toshiba.
Me: Good thinking!

From what I read cleaning this is a bit tricky, so someone at Fry’s was smart enough not to trust their ham-handed repair people with it. The laptop is back, no reload, and works fine.

A minor hijack. I have a friend who works at fry’s, I get all the horror stories, he hates it there.

Also, I have a toshiba tablet, and it was getting hotter and hotter(fan running at full speed more and more often). I cracked that puppy open, cleaned the dust bunnies out, threw it back together, and now its happy again.

Fry (no relation to fry’s)

My MIL bought me Call of Duty, except I wanted the Mac version and she got the PC version. She told me the guy at Best Buy said it would run on a Mac. Curious, I go with her back to Best Buy.

Best Buy Idiot: “Yes, this will run on a Mac.”
Me: “No, it won’t.”
BBI: “All PC games will run on a newer Mac.”
Me: “So why is there a Mac-only OS X version of this game?”
BBI: “That’s for older Macs.”
::I proceed to tell him what I do for a living. Unfortunately for him, it is Mac development::
Me: “The graphics engine in this game uses OPenGL APIs that specifically call out extended textured rectangle memory that requires at least a G4 processor.”
BBI: “Well we’ve sold this game to people with Macs and it works.”
Me: ::reaches into backpack:: “Well it just so happens that I have my MacBook 2Ghz Intel Core Duo laptop right HERE. Let’s see how this PC game installs.”

The CD proceeds to fail instantly. Refund ensues.
(Note: Oh I know. He’s barely informed enough to think that everyone with a Mactel can run Windows software. He certainly didn’t know shit about having to dual boot with a Windows installation, let alone hacking XP to support EFI, or even being aware of Bootloader, or running Cider, or hell, even having VPC. To say nothing of how horrendous the performance of a game like Call of Duty would be in any of the above scenarios. Nope - just enough semi-information to be dangerous, and sell PC versions of games to Mac users in total blissful confidence for god-knows-how-long until I showed up).

Computer users. A dime a dozen.
Computer users who are fuckwits. A dime a dozen.
Power computer users. A dime a dozen.
Power computer users who are fuckwits. A dime a dozen.

A computer user who doesn’t have shit for brains and is able to articulate when they need IT help, even if they don’t understand what problem is with their computer. Priceless.

I’m not sure my problem is a matter of incompetence of ignorance on the part of the tech. I think it’s more a case of a tech who is following a prepared script, and is not allowed to deviate from it. It sometimes seems to me that these prepared scripts are designed specifically to take as long as possible, and to convince the customer that whatever the problem is, it’s not the company’s fault.

Anyway, on to my story.

I bought a small Sandisk flash memory mp3 player last year. Just a little 2gig thing for jogging. I connected it to the computer via the USB cord, and the computer recognized it as a regular USB drive. I chose to load songs by simply transferring folders, rather than synchronizing using Windows Media Player (the instructions said that either option was fine). I transferred a couple of albums, and disconnected the player just to test it. It worked fine, so i reconnected it and began filling it with more music.

This time, when i disconnected it, instead of getting the “Rebuilding library. Please wait” instruction, the screen just went blank. I tried turning it off and back on again, but no luck. I tried reconnecting it to the computer, but nothing there either. I tried changing the battery, on the off chance that the brand new battery i had put in it was faulty, but again nothing. I tried connecting it to another USB port, in case the one i was using had suddenly expired. I tried, in order, the two or three troubleshooting suggestions in the instruction manual. All to no avail.

I was a little annoyed, but i know that sometimes you just get a faulty product. I called the support line and explained everything i had done. The tech got me to go through every step again, including all the instruction manual stuff that i had already followed to the letter. The last thing he asked me was how many USB ports i had, and told me to try moving the USB cable to a different one. I humored him, even though i knew it was useless, and we went through a bunch of steps again trying to get it to work.

It very quickly became apparent, however, that he was going to get me to go through the same set of steps with all 8 USB ports on my computer. That’s when i put my foot down. I said to him: “I’ve had this computer for over two years. In that time, i haven’t had a single problem with any of my USB ports. I have a printer connected via USB, and i frequently connect a scanner, a digital camera, USB keys, a compact flash card reader, and an external hard drive to this computer. I have some of those things connected right now, and they are all functioning perfectly. I’ve now tried three separate USB ports on this computer, including ports that i’ve recently used without problems for other peripherals. I’m not going to go through the whole thing anther five times. I think it’s time to conclude that your mp3 player is the problem here.”

He finally issued me an RMA, and i got a replacement player in the mail a week or so later.

I usually don’t need tech support, which is a very good thing.
And I usually start out patient.

But the last bout involved 4 weeks of bad tech support call, by the end of which my patience had completely run out.

I called in the evening, waited for an hour or so on hold to reach tier 1. Tier 1 would walk me through steps I’d already tried (but I did go through them again just to make sure they wouldn’t do anything different - they didn’t), and then pause stupidly for a while, before sending me on another wait to tier 2.

Tier 2 had been given the exact same script as tier 1, so I’d go through the steps again (and if it didn’t work before, it wasn’t going to miraculously work now, but I’m willing to go along with it the first 3 or 4 times), and would end the call by saying “We’ll need to have the our troubleshooter call you back. When would you like to schedule a call?”

“Are there better times?”

“Any time is fine.”

“They’re available 24 hours a day?”

“Yes, any time.”

"Fine then, any time between 9pm and 8am. " (for those of you counting, that’s an 11 hour calling window. You could dial my phone at random and have a near 50% shot of landing in that window. It’s really hard to miss.) “you’re sure they’re available?”

“Yes, they will give you a call in those times.”

I go to bed - with the phone right there, in case they have to wake me up. No nighttime call. The next day, no call. No call the next night, either. The day after, I go to work, I come home to find they’ve called twice, at 1:30 pm and 2:45 pm, and I’ve been given a call back number. I call back to find that my ticket has been closed, and my problem was “solved.” After more time on hold, and more time going through tier 1 and tier 2, I find it was “solved” because they weren’t able to reach me, and of course, no one who is available then can help, so they’ll need to put me back on the “call back” list. I again go through the “you can call during those hours? You have someone available during those hours?” questions. Again, I’m promised a call during the above hours. The calls keep coming mid-afternoon.

This goes on for two weeks. I even asked them to give me a time period and I could promise to be there - they wouldn’t do that, I had to give them a time so that they could (at this point, I’m sure deliberately) miss the time frame.

I finally, finally get a call at 8:15am (closer than any other time they’ve gotten), which goes through the tier 1 script and then says “I’ll need to call you right back, I’ll call back in 5 minutes.” “5 minutes” means something different in tech support world, because the actual call back happened over an hour later, by which time, I wasn’t home and had to go through the call back list nightmare again.

The problem finally got solved, but not after a lot of trouble and wasted time on everyone’s part.

And then, there’s the guy who claimed that he couldn’t give my call to anyone else because he was all alone in the office, which would have been far more credible if I couldn’t hear “nobody” saying “Click the ‘Start’ button” in the background.

My favorite one was when I was talking on the phone via a LAN line to some tech support lady. She instructs me to disconnect the phone cord from the wall. I said “Won’t that disconnect me from you?” “No, don’t worry about it.”

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPP…

Heck, I have these problems with tech support too. I know little about networking, but fiddled around as much as I did know and called the guy who helped me configure the router in the past. No success.

Upon a call to my ISP:

“Hey, I just moved and they hooked up my 'net access today, but, now that I’ve set up my computer I can’t connect. I’ve already restarted the modem and the computer.”

“Uh… okay… are you using a router?”

“No. Used to, but didn’t set it up this time. That seems kinda dumb in retrospect. Do you think I should?”

“No, no, no, that just makes it more difficult. I would just tell you to unhook it anyway. Uh, you restarted the modem already?”

“Yes.”

“And the computer?”

“Yes.”

He checks the IP, which is correct.

“Well, I don’t know what else to check. Something on your computer is blocking it.”

“Well, it worked fine, I moved, now it doesn’t. That seems to be unlikely.”

“Do you have a firewall or AV?”

“My firewall was in the router, so until I can get online, I don’t. I have Avast! antivirus, but, I’m sure that’s not it. I’ve used it for a long time.”

“Well if you don’t have a firewall or antivirus, then, I don’t know.”

“Uh… well, look, I do have AV, but, it’s not it. If it makes you happy, I’ll uninstall it. But, there seems to be something else going on.”

“Well I don’t know what else to check.”

“Is there someone else I can talk to?”

“Nobody else here knows anything more than I do.”

“Okay, but, we haven’t resolved the problem and I’d like to troubleshoot further.”

(five minutes of convincing. I delete Avast! which he’s clearly never heard of, and ooh la la, doesn’t fix it. Surprise. He finally agrees to see if there’s anyone else there but “can’t guarantee it”)

I’m on hold for about 10 minutes when I just go get the router and start hooking it up. He comes back on the line after 5 more minutes.

“Uh, there are a couple things that I can check…”

(I have to start deleting my cookies and whatnot)

“Well, I went ahead and hooked up the router anyway, so let me try this… Wow, what do you know, it works.”

“Uh. Oh.”

“Yeah, well, partially my fault but you probably shouldn’t tell people never to use routers.”

“Well I guess I learned something for next time.”

I guess he did.

Hmmm. fluiddruid, it sounds like your problem might have been a MAC address problem. Some ISPs use your network card’s MAC address to authenticate your connection. If your ISP was looking for the router’s MAC address but, instead, found the one on your computer, you wouldn’t have been able to connect.

The tech should definitely have known this. So either this wasn’t really the problem or the tech was an idiot.

I’m not saying that your tech isn’t an idiot, but what you’ve written here doesn’t make sense and certainly doesn’t further the impression that you’re a guru of some sort.

SQL stands for Structured Query Language and is not used for interface - it’s a way of querying a relational database. If you’re getting an http 404 (not found) error message, then chances are your “database” is actually a front-end application written in either ASP or Java. Your actual database is probably based in Oracle or Microsoft SQL Server (although I suppose it could MySQL or Access or something else entirely) which is a Relational Database Management System and which uses some flavor of SQL for data queries/updates.

What you wrote would be somewhat equivalent to the lady who told me that her operating system was Microsoft Office.

I’m betting it was a typo, and he meant to say “written in SQL,” which would make perfect sense.

? He’s getting http 404 errors. Are you suggesting that he’s using his browser to directly execute SQL stored procedures or packages against the database? Chances are what he sees is actually not written in SQL at all, but in ASP or Java. Most non-programmers or DBAs never see the SQL or its direct results. The results are passed through to an interface language (ASP, C#, Java, Visual Basic, PowerBuilder, or whatever) for display.