They are in the USA, if they were in Mexico the Mexican constitution would be the valid one.
But you have to prove it is so, just saying so will not make the righteous fairy wave her wand to make it a reality for you. As for cheating their way in, it takes two for this tango, illegal work is benefiting many times the well to do in the USA, legalizing the status of the illegals means that those corporations or business will have to pay the proper taxes and give a chance to workers that demand rights.
I do support **funded ** border patrols because that is doable, mass deportation remains a stupid idea.
So far it seems that it is you who is wishing it was, silly to say that after the mass protest proved to be virtually without violence and people followed the law.
Doesn’t apply to minors- for most things, minors aren’t “citizens”. If it did, then minors would have the right to vote, to buy guns, to drink, etc. :dubious: Note that Juvenile court operates without a jury, etc.
If a family comes here Illegally, have a kid or two, but then are caught, the entire family is generally deported even though those kids were born here. Then, once those kids reach 18, then can decide what nation they want to be a citizen of.
According to the 14th amendment they are, and you can always ask Fred Oyama whether he was a citizen at the age of six. If you wish to continue this argument, at least provide some actual evidence that they aren’t citizens.
We certainly apply different constraints on them than we do on adults, but that’s not because they’re not citizens, it’s because they are minors. Even the 26th amendment takes this into account.
I think we are digressing, not purposefully I hope…
I may lose, but however you spin it, the facts is, and you should know it, laws were broken by illegals and citizens alike. Deportation and/or waiting at the end of the line with a stronger border is the answer. Didn’t I mention the 6th amendment earlier?
Our laws only apply to them indirectly, once extradited/deported, their mother country will slap them stupid with their laws be it Mexico, China, Libya, etc.
If your worried about due process for citizens, we do have over 90 immigration judges and over 20 immigration courts here in the southern border states alone. And for the legals, if they prove themselves before thay get kicked out, good for them.
I wouldn’t waste my time protesting unless I’m protecting family that I’m hiding.
I’m protesting because my family oversees will get screwed because of the illegals and their already U.S. Citizens family.
Do I really need to provide a cite that list U.S Citizens that are harboring.
I’m sure they willing to post that information online.
Common sense says they won’t devulge that info though.
I’m on the side of fairness, punish the law breakers.
Just because you wouldn’t protest something unless it impacted you directly doesn’t mean that applies to everyone else. In other words, just because you have a stance, doesn’t mean that it’s shared by all. Thankfully.
As you can not furnish a cite you demonstrate that Mass deportation is not the answer, give me a reason to take you seriously or just continue repeating a useless fantasy that you can not justify.
No one here will take you seriously when you repeat items that you can not back up.
Nonsense. Unless diplomatic immunity is involved, any country’s laws apply to anyone within it’s borders. A country will only “slap them stupid” with its laws if it cares.
Only 90 judges, for millions of people you want to deport.
Anyone wanna wager $5 that rwong is sufficiently pale to avoid getting caught up in such a dragnet?
(Unless, of course, someone points out that not all illegal immigrants come from Central America. Wonder if rwong would pass for an illegal immigrant sneaking in from Asia, perchance?)
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If all the illegal workers up and left the US what would really happen?
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The loss of illegal workers would be negligable.
The burden on the govt will be removed.
No increased budget for public schools, roads, hosipital, fire, police, parks, etc
Means no new taxes.
Illegal workers will be replaced by those getting in properly.
Businesses will use perceived fear to make a small price hike for consumers.
Oil and electrical consumption will go down a tad.
Housing prices will go down a little.
Freeways will be less crowded.
Less uninsured motorist.
Reduced Identity theft.
This thread won’t exist anymore.
The U.S. was an economic powerhouse without them in the past and will still be without them now. The estimates are 12 million known illegals. Some are guessing at double the number. The U.S. is already mass deporting 100,000 estimated illegals out every year. Once the word Mass Deportation was mentioned, everyone is all up in arms.
[QUOTE=astro]
If all the illegal workers up and left the US what would really happen?
[QUOTE]
The loss of illegal workers would be negligable.
The burden on the govt will be removed.
No increased budget for public schools, roads, hosipital, fire, police, parks, etc
Means no new taxes.
Illegal workers will be replaced by those getting in properly.
Businesses will use perceived fear to make a small price hike for consumers.
Oil and electrical consumption will go down a tad.
Housing prices will go down a little.
Freeways will be less crowded.
Less uninsured motorist.
Reduced Identity theft.
This thread won’t exist anymore.
The U.S. was an economic powerhouse without them in the past and will still be without them now. The estimates are 12 million known illegals. Some are guessing at double the number. The U.S. is already mass deporting 100,000 estimated illegals out every year. Once the word Mass Deportation was mentioned, everyone is all up in arms.
[QUOTE=astro]
If all the illegal workers up and left the US what would really happen?
[QUOTE]
The loss of illegal workers would be negligable.
The burden on the govt will be removed.
No increased budget for public schools, roads, hosipital, fire, police, parks, etc
Means no new taxes.
Illegal workers will be replaced by those getting in properly.
Businesses will use perceived fear to make a small price hike for consumers.
Oil and electrical consumption will go down a tad.
Housing prices will go down a little.
Freeways will be less crowded.
Less uninsured motorist.
Reduced Identity theft.
This thread won’t exist anymore.
The U.S. was an economic powerhouse without them in the past and will still be without them now. The estimates are 12 million known illegals. Some are guessing at double the number. The U.S. is already mass deporting 100,000 estimated illegals out every year. Once the word Mass Deportation was mentioned, everyone is all up in arms.
America isn’t being “wrecked”; it’s using them as cheap, near-slave labor. Let’s not pretend we are a bunch of victims.
You really live in Fantasy Land, don’t you ?
“Burden” :rolleyes: . They prop up they government; they subsidize it by paying taxes and receiving little or nothing for it. Taxes would need to be raised, to pay for your massive deportation lunacy, fortifying the border, lots of legal fees, and for the revenue shortfall from the lack of immigrants - legal and illegal. You do seem determined to make America the kind of place people emigrate to get away from, instead of immigrate to.
Yes negligable! 400,000,000 people in the U.S.
We lose 12,000,000 illegals
Mass deportation has been and is already happening. 100,000 a year is the estimate. Those 100K are in eligble for repatration for up to 10 years.
This should be a good example for those law breakers.
Once they shore up the border and continue the silent mass deportation we will eliminate the problem.
We can then spend money on border patrols instread of boats and plane tickets.
Then they will be forced use a pen on an application instead of climbing fences.
Bush is your best friend right now, he wants to grant amnesty so your relatives don’t get kicked out.
Another thing, if they are able to pay taxes, it’s off of borrowed or stolen SSN, which confirms their moral character. Which means if the illegal claims exempt someone is footing thousands of dollars in back taxes.
Otherwise, they are getting paid under the table.
Bush is the enemy of humanity. He is not my friend, and never will be. If he saved my life, he’d still be scum; just scum that was momentarily useful to me.
And I have no immigrant relatives I know of, legal or illegal.
Nonsense; the IRS gives them ID numbers to use instead of SS numbers so they can pay income tax. Not to mention, some taxes are withheld from wages, and they need to pay sales taxes like everybody else.