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Bush is the enemy of humanity. He is not my friend, and never will be. If he saved my life, he’d still be scum; just scum that was momentarily useful to me.
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What do you know, we agree on something…
[QUOTE=rwong]
http://www.themilitant.com/2004/6809/680951.html
http://www.wsws.org/articles/testdir/oct2004/ital-o09.shtml
This is the best one…
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=14953
The U.S. is not the only country getting wrecked by immigrants…
I’m providing this as a courtesy as I couldn’t care less if you take me seriously.
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You are correct, no one can take you seriously; but it is your own doing, and I don’t care if you think I’m not taking you seriously, others here can draw their own conclusions:
The reason why I demanded a cite was for this:
[QUOTE=rwong]
On 5/1/06 they should have surrounded L.A. with the national guards and rounded up several million of them, kick them out and if citizens protesting were rounded up by mistake, they can write a letter to their Congressman to get back in the U.S..
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The reason why I called you a liar was that you could not produce a cite to support that there would not be lawsuits from the **legals ** affected, **NONE ** of you cites does that, beside showing you don’t pay attention, what you have there is mostly a Google vomit. Consisting of other countries that are doing deportations, but it refers to refugees and to thousands not millions. One articles is actually critical of the actions of the government of Italy, no article deals with the consequences, like for example: the Dutch had to stop some of that when they embarrassingly found that gay Iranians were only going to be deported to their deaths.
Even you last “best” cite of yours is just an opinion piece counteracted by an early opinion I cited, I wrought early the Navy guy not because of an appeal to authority, but because you seem to not picture that by being opposed to illegal immigration (and if you had bothered to check the cite you would not look silly for calling him stupid) one does not need not turn off logic. Mass deportations are stupid here in the USA.
You have to show me who is proposing mass deportations here in the USA in the current plans in congress, and you ignored on purpose that even the leadership in the republican party does not think much about Mass deportations, so once again, you are just fantasizing and lying.
[QUOTE=GIGObuster]
You are correct, no one can take you seriously; but it is your own doing, and I don’t care if you think I’m not taking you seriously, others here can draw their own conclusions:
The reason why I demanded a cite was for this:
The reason why I called you a liar was that you could not produce a cite to support that there would not be lawsuits from the **legals ** affected, **NONE ** of you cites does that, beside showing you don’t pay attention, what you have there is mostly a Google vomit. Consisting of other countries that are doing deportations, but it refers to refugees and to thousands not millions. One articles is actually critical of the actions of the government of Italy, no article deals with the consequences, like for example: the Dutch had to stop some of that when they embarrassingly found that gay Iranians were only going to be deported to their deaths.
Even you last “best” cite of yours is just an opinion piece counteracted by an early opinion I cited, I wrought early the Navy guy not because of an appeal to authority, but because you seem to not picture that by being opposed to illegal immigration (and if you had bothered to check the cite you would not look silly for calling him stupid) one does not need not turn off logic. Mass deportations are stupid here in the USA.
You have to show me who is proposing mass deportations here in the USA in the current plans in congress, and you ignored on purpose that even the leadership in the republican party does not think much about Mass deportations, so once again, you are just fantasizing and lying.
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I’m sorry you feel that way, the one link biased by a lawyer still demonstrates that Clinton signed the immigration law and Bush has heavily backed up with the deportation of illegals. His public campaign maybe Amnesty, but according to the article deportation is the result. Mass deportation to the tune of 100,000 illegals a year.
[QUOTE=rwong]
I’m sorry you feel that way, the one link biased by a lawyer still demonstrates that Clinton signed the immigration law and Bush has heavily backed up with the deportation of illegals. His public campaign maybe Amnesty, but according to the article deportation is the result. Mass deportation to the tune of 100,000 illegals a year.
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And also mentions legals being deported for infraction committed in the past.
They are being deported and doesn’t appear to be any recourse for them.
[QUOTE=rwong]
I’m sorry you feel that way, the one link biased by a lawyer still demonstrates that Clinton signed the immigration law and Bush has heavily backed up with the deportation of illegals. His public campaign maybe Amnesty, but according to the article deportation is the result. Mass deportation to the tune of 100,000 illegals a year.
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Clinton referred to 100,000 on a backlog to be deported, that was the total, not per year. And you are only tap dancing here, your lying still refers to your unsupported statement that **legals ** would have no chance for lawsuits against the government if they are deported by mistake, and also that those legals can be condemned of abating with no due process
[QUOTE=rwong]
And also mentions legals being deported for infraction committed in the past.
They are being deported and doesn’t appear to be any recourse for them.
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You are just digging further into your own hole, when I said legals I am also including American citizens. Like I said, your problem here is ignoring the consequences of your fantasy.
[QUOTE=DMC]
If you wish to continue this argument, at least provide some actual evidence that they aren’t citizens.
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Well, since this is a minor hijack, let’s agree to disagree unless you want to start another thread on it.
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Well, since this is a minor hijack, let’s agree to disagree unless you want to start another thread on it.
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It is at least somewhat relevant to the thread, and since this board is about fighting ignorance, I’ll just do it here. From the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services:
It’s really quite specific and clear.
[QUOTE=rwong]
In this instance, protestors are actually considered aiding and abating.
I would see aiding and abating criminals will satisfy the 4th and 14th ammendment
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Only if you want to remove the amendment that allows for peaceful assembly and redress and free speech. The 14th says anyone born here is a citizen. I don’t know what you are talking about there.
[QUOTE=rwong]
Yes, dragnets sweeps up innocent people and eventually they let the innocent go. Aiding and abating makes you guilty, automatically.
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What happened to shipping them all out, and go write a letter to your Senator to get back in? Backpedalling already?
[QUOTE=rwong]
There have been plenty of drug busts that picked up innocent victims in the past and I don’t believe that law enforcement was ever successfully sued for it.
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Got any cites for that?
[QUOTE=rwong]
The Supreme court won’t let you sue the Govt for mistaking you for an illegal and there will definitely no tears shed if you were caught aiding criminals.
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Uhhh, the Supreme Court and other courts have already ruled on false arrest cases. One of the cases I cited covered both free speech AND false arrest.
Stop with the aiding and abetting stuff too. Favoring more sensible immigration laws is not aiding and abetting. Attending a demonstration or parade to express sympathy and support is not aiding and abetting.
To play Devil’s Advocate here, maybe we can help rwong along by having all illegal immigrants wear a big scarlet “I” on their shirts…
Or maybe a yellow star, to make them more identifiable in the dark…
[QUOTE=rwong]
Yes negligable! 400,000,000 people in the U.S.
We lose 12,000,000 illegals
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300,000,000 people in the U.S.
Anyways, I would still like to see a cite that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes. From where I am standing, I see that they pay sales tax when they buy stuff. They presumably pay property tax on property they own. The experience I have had in working with illegal immigrants is that they provide a fake SS number and that the employer witholds the appropiate taxes. Obviously since they are here illegally they do not recieve a tax refund, and most importantly, will never see their SS benefits. Heck, I wouldn’t be suprised if illegal immigrants end up paying more in taxes than they should.
Regardless, you claim that illegal immigrants are not paying taxes. Pony up a reputable cite showing that, or quit claiming it.
[QUOTE=rwong]
Yes negligable! 400,000,000 people in the U.S.
We lose 12,000,000 illegals
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300,000,000 people in the U.S.
Anyways, I would still like to see a cite that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes. From where I am standing, I see that they pay sales tax when they buy stuff. They presumably pay property tax on property they own. The experience I have had in working with illegal immigrants is that they provide a fake SS number and that the employer witholds the appropiate taxes. Obviously since they are here illegally they do not recieve a tax refund, and most importantly, will never see their SS benefits. Heck, I wouldn’t be suprised if illegal immigrants end up paying more in taxes than they should.
Regardless, you claim that illegal immigrants are not paying taxes. Pony up a reputable cite showing that, or quit claiming it.
[QUOTE=treis]
Anyways, I would still like to see a cite that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes. From where I am standing, I see that they pay sales tax when they buy stuff. They presumably pay property tax on property they own.
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And if they rent, they pay property tax through the landlord.