I have a Grandfather who’s a Pastor of a church in Newport News, Va, he mentioned that holiday when I was there earlier this year. Until then I’d never heard of it. Ironically, Ive never worked anywhere where MLK Day was a paid day off, though each of my bosses gave me the option of taking it off in lieu of a floater.
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**Oh well…no I’m not stalking you Stuffy…it would never cross my mind to mess around with a married man living an entire continent away. Not much future in a relationship like that. Besides you’ve got two kids, boys at that, I’ve got two kids, two kids are enough, four is way to many. One boy is enough for me anyway. Mine thinks he’s emperor of the known universe, or at least man of the house. He’s rotten to the core.
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HAH…That sounds like my son Chris. He’s the youngest, but he has the older two securely under his thumb. He practically runs the place. My Mom says he’s like me when I was younger. When he’s looking at me with a smile and an innocent expression, I know he’s up to something. Ain’t kids great!
Wow, you must have missed the maybe one protest from a couple of Confederate history groups. Last Year, Gov. Gilmore decided to separate Robert E. Lee/“Stonewall” Jackson/Martin Luther King Jr. Day.
I remember how the NAACP herald this as a good thing. I think the governor was in trouble with the NAACP for flirting with the idea of declaring April Confederate History Month. (Gov. George Allen did it four years earlier.)The only people who heard about the day was my HS history teacher, VDOT, and several banks. “In honor of Lee/Jackson/King Day, we will be closed.” There were a few protest by the Daughters of the Confederacy. I saw them myself. I was suprised by how low-key it all was.
Anyway, thought out its existance (until last year) in VA it was Lee/Jackson/King Day.
Lee Jackson Day now occurs the Monday after King Day.
Needs, I’m not surprised you didn’t know about LJK day
Sterling If you’re visiting Detroit, can you find out if Emily’s Across the Street is still open? It’s a kind of a large Curio store with neat little instrument and whatnots from around the world. It was a block south of Woodward, in the area of Hudson’s the last time I was there.
Yes Sterling my darling…I had heard of it…yes I know about the idiots in Chesterfield declaring Confederate History month. David Duke came to town. He made a big appearance at the mall down the street from my workplace. Yes, I heard it all, from the controversy over renaming the bridges to the banner on the flood wall. BUT UP UNTIL ALL THIS CONFEDERATE HERITIAGE SHIT AND MLK DAY GOT ALL TANGLED UP YOU NEVER HEARD SHIT ABOUT LEE FUCKING JACKSON DAY! Good enough?
Charlottesville, VA, 1961-1964: Public schools got Bobby Lee’s birthday off, but not Lincoln’s. State offices were closed on Lee’s day, but not Lincoln’s. It was the other way around for my Catholic school and Federal offices.
<Strolls off, singing the Virginia state song, as taught in his grade school, including the faux-Negro dialect>
“Thar’s whar I labored so long for ol’ Massa,
Day after day in de fields ob yeller corn…”
Strange thing to say, considering the title of your OP, don’t you think?
These people may not speak for you, but they are certainly leaders to the vast majority of the black community, like it or not. Considering the things these people say, this fact can be disconcerting.
Well let’s see…considering that I didn’t start school until 63 and then it was private because we didn’t have kindergarten in public schools in VA back then…I don’t remember. Do you really or did you look it up? Then I attented 1st grade in Indidana…don’t see any reason why the Hoosiers would find it patriotic to celebrate Lee’s day. Maybe George Rogers Clark (who was Virginian too) but not Lee.
And exactly what does you missing in school in 1964 have anything to do with this subject or your disgusting, racist reference to “Massa”? Just wanted to throw that in and prove you’re one of the assholes I’ve been talking about. Shove your “Heritage not Hate” sticker up your ass. You don’t represent me or my beautiful state. Neither does that fucking dead general that fought on the wrong side of that stupid war.
He grew up about two miles from my house. Yes, I remember it quite clearly. It was pretty jarring for a Northern boy like me.
No, those were the official lyrics when I was a kid. Including the faux-slave dialect. Just wanted you to know that the Virginia you were born into was a place with a lot of unresolved issues. Maybe it’s different now. Good Lord, I hope so.
No I don’t think it’s strange since more than a few posters act as if JJ and the others were given some mandate or elected position to represent us.
Really, who told you that? I missed that press release. So maybe I should by the same token, believe Duke, Buchanan et al represent you, is that what you’re saying?
Like it or not, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farawhatever hold NO elected office. Because you may think they speak for the black community, does not make it so. They work for their pet causes, normally at the invite of some other individual or organization, for publicity. That the media has chosen to annoint him a black leader means absolutely nothing to me.
Damn! I apologize if I got the reference wrong. You are absolutely right. I do remember some of the words to that song. Believe they were talking about changing it last year. Are you sure they really did? Fat chance I say since we still have so many die hard Confederate romantasists around here. Forgive me if I got carried away and didn’t understand your meaning. I get so fed up with all the “Ye Haw Do it for Dixie crap” that sometimes I lose perspective.
No problem. It’s one of those “I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t sung it with my own mouth” sort of things. But, boy-o-boy, just TRY finding those lyrics on the web! The HATE sites don’t even have them.
I hate the revisionists, myself, and have booed the recreaters when they marched in the 4th of July parade. They have no business celebrating the independence of MY country. They can’t get it through their thick skulls that a) they got whupped, and b) they got whupped BAD. (Yes, some of us Northerners can hold a grudge for 140 years, too!)
& 3. Pretty embarassing, aren’t they? Although I like Jesse quite a bit. His mouth just moves faster than his brain sometimes. I can relate to that. And for every moronic “Martin” there is and equally moronic “Suddenly Susan.” I guess that’s Hollywood’s version of affirmative action.
Don’t know anybody who has officially benefitted from it. That I knew of. OTOH, I have used similar criteria when hiring. I just don’t tell people that I am. If my company is showing a tilt in the direction of Middle-Class White Guys (as they usually do) those criteria will tilt the balance in favor of one of two equal candidates. Then I try to hire them both.
Always happy to add another holiday. As for so-called Ebonics, what’s fun is when somebody comes up way back in the piney hills Down Home and no Chicagoan, white or black, can understand him. Had to do some translating in my time.
When Duke or Buchanan run for president and attract the same level of support among whites that Jackson did among blacks, you may believe this. When Duke or Buchanan make a Million Man March and attract the same level of participation and support from whites as Farakhan did from blacks you may believe this.
That is true. And the fact that without holding any elected office they (and you might add Sharpeton) attract so much attention is not a media conspiracy. It is because the have enormous support in the black community.
This is true, of course. You personally are under no obligation to accept anyone as your leader, regardless of what anyone else may do. But this idea that Jackson and Farrakhan are media creations with no actual standing in the black community is nonsense.
Where’s all this support you’re talking about? Last time I checked Jesse Jackson doesn’t hold any office. Both of those other jackass’ mentioned above have held elected office, or at least Duke did.
The Million Man March was about unity among black men, not a cause celebre’ of Farawhatever (you may remember news reports of supporters of the march distancing themselves from the ides of the speaker). Even a broken clock is right twice a day you know?
Wrong, they attract enormous attention because of the issues they address, and the media is willing to give them a spotlight. Just because they and their rabbble rousers make the news, that’s not indicative of support.
IzzyR.
I would never dare to assume who speaks for you. Bush is president, but does the media dare to assume he speaks for you? Gore recieved 51% of the vote and yet does everyone assume he speaks for you?
European Americans don’t need spokesmen. They are all assumed to have minds of their own. Yet put a microphone in front of a race-baiting black man (Al Sharpton and L. Farrahkan come to mind) and low and behold. . . The Black People Have Spoken!
So, I’m to believe that you don’t think Social Security is a Federal Program. And that you believe in Creationism. And the Texas Rangers are a good sports franchise. Oh of course you don’t know what the meaning of “is” is.
Here you have it. 5 people of color have told you that these so-called black spokesmen do not speak for them. Perhaps you can tell us, IzzyR, which of the elected officials speak for all of the white people. That way I can just listen to that one person and know the mind of my white countrymen.
Race relations are not that simple. Get to know a few black people. We are as complex and different as everyone else. Don’t generalize. Or, continue to do so and be a putz.
Actually, quoting the Rainbow PUSH website, “In 1990, in an impressive victory, Reverend Jackson was elected to the post of U.S. Senator from Washington, D.C., a position also known as ‘Statehood Senator.’ The office was created to advocate for statehood for the District of Columbia, which has a population higher than five states yet has no voting representation in Congress.” So, not supporting IzzyB but clarifying things, Rev Jackson does hold elected office, but, as DC’s Shadow Senator, does not hold a position with “real” power. His considerable power comes from his credibility with the people and the strength of his personality.
