Do you admit that Israeli tactics are also responsible for producing the suicide bombers? Should we slaughter Sharon too?
Of course Israeli parliament members have also committed terrorist acts (cf Stern Gang). Why don’t we murder them too?
And your cite for that is?
How come Slobodan Milosevic is up before an international court, then?
“Milosevic, on trial for genocide and crimes against humanity during his time as president of Serbia…”
In any case, just because you think Arafat is an obstacle, doesn’t answer my question:
why is murdering him a good long-term plan?
Well it’s a public message board and I detest violence.
Do you remember this?
So you’re excited and amused by the prospect of murder?
After all that, it hardly seems worth reminding you that you have accused 3 times me of posting stuff that was actually other people.
Do you ever admit your mistakes and apologise?
No. But I will admit that Israeli tactics sometimes add fuel to an already hot fire, which Arafat is responsible for. If the fire wasn’t there in the first place, then there would be nothing to fuel.
I did say…
Not my call. But I will add that almost all of the blood that Sharon has spilled can bee linked back to Arafat. On the other hand, not all the blood Arafat has spilled can be linked back to Sharon. Besides, it would be fairly easy to take Sharon to court should you feel the need to do so - be sure to have an army though… Of lawyers that is.
Again, if Arafat made it possible for someone else to lead the PA (someone who wanted its people to prosper) then I believe that there would be much less bloodshed on both sides. The politics will, of course, go on as it does everywhere else (i.e never rosey), but at least the poverty gap between the borders would be closed, and, perhaps, the two cultures would be able to sit next to each other in a bar, watching sports or even discussing politics. - Like I can do with many Palestinians who place their life before their corrupt leader, and who wish nothing more than for Arafat to piss-off, so they can return to their beloved country.
Because he left the evidence behind. This makes the case against him much stronger. Arafat lets other people do the dirty work for him, using the ‘democracy’ cloak.
I would much prefer to see Arafat get life behind bars. As it stands right now though, it does not fall within the realm of ‘physically possible’.
So we agree that he is ‘an obstacle’. What you are trying to say is that he is ‘not the only obstacle’. Yes?
What I am trying to say is that if you remove that initial obstacle, all the other obstacles will come crumbling down.
By ‘removing’ him we eliminate the initial obstacle.
‘remove’ = ‘exile’ or
‘remove’ = ‘lock-up’ or
‘remove’ = ‘voted-out’ (pppphhhh) or
'remove = ‘assassinate’
…Whatever, just ‘remove’ him. The short-to-medium term consequences may be servere. But if the Palastinian people are given a chance they will thrive, eliminating many potential long-term consequences.
No… I never get ‘excited’ when facing any kind of violence. But enough about me. Unless you want me to prove this???
As other people have noticed, I am not a master of grammar. That being said, its all about how you interpreted my previous posts.
I will say, however, that i’m getting the hang of this copying, pasting, and re-formating thing.
“But I will admit that Israeli tactics sometimes add fuel to an already hot fire, which Arafat is responsible for. If the fire wasn’t there in the first place, then there would be nothing to fuel.”
[Sorry, but you will see have not got a clue how to “quote” you elegently yet on this msg board)
Why is Arafat any more responsible than the Isrealis? This tit for tat stuff won’t wash. Think please and give us a proper answer not just knee jerk stuff.
Surely you can see the argument that extra-legal Israeli government assassinations, continue illegal settlement building, occupation of the territory of Arab nations, bulldozing of civilian dwellings and olive groves, building a new “Berlin Wall”, harrassment of Arab civilians, lack of will to properly investigate and prosecute crimes against Arabs by jewish Israelis, routine torture of suspects and detetion without trail - that those activities might just have something to do with reinforcing the belief within desperate men and women that they have nothing to loose with undertaking violent attacks against Israeli civilians (as opposed to legitimate resistance to Israeli military occupation forces)??
Please see if you can address this question rather than deflect it with attacks on the actions of Israeli’s opponents (which as you can see include me).
Do you mean:
a) Why is Arafat more responsible than Sharon? or
b) Why are the Palastinians more responsible than the Israelis?
If you mean a) then because he brainwashes his people and he blatantly steels from them for his own personal benefit. He is personally worth more than his country because - and only because - he TOOK the money - full stop.
If you mean b) then because of their leader (see a).
You may notice that I am not personaly blaming the poor civilians involved in this bloody mess. I am blaming BOTH the leaders, but I realize that for Sharon to go, Arafat must go. The vise-versa does not hold out.
Not that I condone the occupied territories, but that land, when Isreal returns it to the Palastinian people, not Arafat, may actually be worth something - as opposed to the disease ridden froth of unemployment it is now.
Did you know…
Also, how about Arafat steeling land from his own god damn farmers to build his new palace - an occupied territory or two (I dare you to ask him what happened to the farmers). Or siezing private property for his corrupt government officials. Or using his Gestapo-style police to harras his own people. Or his ‘dictating’ his democracy, Or…
Come on, you are going to have to convince better than that if you want me to believe it is really Isreal doing all this ‘terror’ you can sense.
Why doesn’t Arafat start legal aid for the poor victims of Israeli treatment. Did you know that Palastinians look to the Isreali courts for justice? Obviously not.
For your benefit, notquitekarpov:
Surely you can see the argument that Arafat is destroying his country and taking Israel with him.
If you are telling me you are condoning what Arafat is doing to his country, then we are done here.
Swami, are you comparing this ‘scandal’ to Arafats millions, or was that just a bit of useless information that can be found in almost all politicians resume.
In addition to the Mukata’a compound in Ramallah, I believe that Arafat also has combined residences/offices in Gaza and Bethlehem. I can try to find cites if you’d like.
Ramallah is in the Gaza Strip so perhaps that’s what your thinking of, just done some googling not allowed into the West Bank curr1eantlynd he does have a residence in Bethelem (which the Pope visited according to the refernce),but IIRC he’s not allowed into the West Bank at the moment.
Palace is a bit of an overstatement though, compared to even the President of the TRNC’s house in Lefkos(h)a (Nicosia) it’s not much.
Yes your correct I’m getting it mixed up with Rafah, yes he does defintely have a compund somewhere in the Gaza Strip has he has been exiled there before.
Appols, I believe the correct terminology is ‘Presidential Headquarters’. He also owns property in many places around the world. Almost all are not in his name though.
The Likud (infact it was culled from the Telegraph)isn’t relaible as it relies on the claims of an unidentified hacker though it does make a very valid point about the very murky nature of the finaces of the PLO and indeed the PA for which Arafat is responsible.
The Batia article is in many ways more reliable as it comes from a source not known for taking a pro-Israeli stance, but I’ll have to check about the palace in Nabulus.
Also, I realize that Arafat may have ‘offloaded’ or ‘lost’ many of his personal assets. It is where the money should have been invested, at the time, that is my point. The money was not *his[/i/ to spend.
And I’m trying to find out more about the Nablus incedent. It seems this story has some twists and turns to it (including Arafats version of what happened) - very intersting. I will post more as I find it.
