If its 'Flame the Prof. day' then be prepared for 'Flame the student day' as well!

Phlosphr, thanks for the kind words! Joining a new community (online or not) is tricky for an introverted person like me, so your post was truly meaningful.

Anyway, in answer to your question, I’m in Colorado. I do know the community college system here is in upheaval due to the usual funding shortages etc, but my understanding is it is more of a state problem than the federal issue you hinted at. So I am curious.

Although at this point I will mention my current theory regarding attrition/attendance/panic issues … I’m wondering if the current economy and job market are causing larger numbers of people to take on education in hopes of a new or better career. Then as the semester goes on, people realize they have taken on too much, and the commitment/energy flickers out. But this wouldn’t explain why the problem has pretty much existed since day one (though it has gotten worse as the semester progressed, cuminating in last weekend’s tete-a-tete class).

In general, I stand by my feeling that students don’t realize that their actions totally affect other students, and it’s not just a two-way “students vs professors/‘the man’” dynamic.

That would be a good feeling to stand by in my opinion. I have seen several breeds of student enter my classroom:

Type 1. Typical college student straight from highschool. Joins a few clubs, stays out of trouble for the most part. Maybe has a few too many and get’s drunk in a friends room from time to time. Essentially stays below faculty/staff radar.

Type 2. Goes to college because they think they must, parents are making them etc…etc… Average grades, likes having no parents around, parties a little in excess, but graduates non-the less.

Type 3. Trustfund baby (I hate labeling anyone, but this term is generally accepted and understood) - These students come to school completely on parents dime. They drive onto campus in their new BMW, have the best dorm rooms because dad pulled a string. Show up for class whenever they wish, not a care in the world, until they hear: You may fail my course if you do not put in some work etc…etc…
Minimal work to pass they go on.

Type 4. No cares, hate school for whatever reason, never come to class, bitch about everything, and are generally poor students…this latter breed os student does not stay long.

There are more, but you see my point. Some students do care about how the classs behaves, some do not. I’ve witnessed several situations where other students will chastize in some instances the students who are giving the class a bad flavor…Then again this would be institution-centric because I work in a small institution, at a larger school such as Michigan State or ASU, the population is more mixed in a solution and individual rarely have impact on larger classes.

It surprises me when you say:

I would assume such an illness would be incompatible with attending a traditional college. It is interesting to me that several posters have mentioned the accommodations provided by several different universities.

Apricot, I had the same reaction when I first saw the accommodations we have to make for students. I had a student with Tourette’s who took exams on his own in a quiet room, and students with dyslexia who needed extra time on exams, and I have a student now who is in a wheelchair and has limited mobility in her upper body, who gets photocopies of another student’s class notes and takes her exams at the same time as the rest of the class, but across campus with a scribe. I had a student last semester with OCD who would have really bad attacks that interfered with her ability to study and come to class and had to take an incomplete. She completed her work this semester, and got a B in my class, and is taking meds and working with a counselor on coping strategies, but is still having trouble.

I used to think, well, really, why should these students get extra help? I mean, everyone would do better if we gave them extra time on exams, and extended deadlines, and so on. How come a note from your doctor means you should get special treament? Shouldn’t they just sink or swim like everybody else?

Then I wised up. Which of the students on my list should be denied the opportuntity to attend college, and the small accomodations required to do their best? Would you be comfortable telling a bright, enthusastic student that, sorry, you’re just not cut out for a “traditional” school because you can’t hold a pencil, and you don’t belong here?

If you don’t have a problem with a physically disabled student getting some extra help, what about the kids with dyslexia? Many of them were as smart and motivated as they come, they just don’t read and write as fast as other students. They learn just as well, let me tell you. Their disability has no more influence on their intelligence than for the student in the wheelchair. It’s just the method we use to test them that slows them down. If I gave oral exams, they wouldn’t require extra time–but there would be a new set of equally deserving students who, for one reason or another, needed special accomodations.

Having a medical condition that takes you out of action for a couple weeks shouldn’t prevent you from going to college. Any student could have an accident or illness or personal crisis that means they’ll miss a significant portion of the semester. In a class of 90 students, I’ve had three students this semester who missed a week or more of class for one reason or another. If the student can make up the work in a reasonable amount of time, I don’t see why we can’t give them the chance to do that.

I’ve never met a student with disabilities who ever tried to get out of doing the normal coursework, or who seemed like they were trying to push the sympathy thing into an unfair advantage. Like Phlosphr sez, you can smell that from a mile away. And they’re definintely conscious of the stigma, and will usually not take advantage of all the accomodations they’re entitled to if there’s any way they can manage without.

Or at least be incredibly defensive, like me. :smiley:

I can and do complete all the work the other students do. Sometimes it’s a little late, but I do it. And I take all the same tests. When I need notes from lecture, I get them from other students or from the teacher. I keep up with required reading. I would rather stay in school, and work at the best pace I can, instead of resigning myself to going on disability or living off of family members.