You’re right, I apologize for the hijack.
Fine by me - I’d like to see some moral ambiguity. I’m not a kid; I can take it. The very deliberate unambiguity of (for example) Star Trek: Insurrection was [del]almost[/del] painful.
You’ve pretty much nailed my motivation. But then, I’ve never actually liked Star Trek, except for DS9, which was okay.
Ypu didn’t hijack. It was an interesting idea, I just thought maybe you were unaware of the episodes mentioned.
The difference between TOS and the likes of Enterprise/Voyager is that some big frakking changes occured to pretty much the entire known universe at times in the latter two, before that reset button was pushed and the credits rolled. TOS never felt like we were retreading the same ground, we were still going (boldly) outwards to places unknown with each episode.
After a while a lot of B5 (and DS9 for that matter) was pretty tedious, as I’ve said before, it was just filler to prop up the arc. I guess when you know you don’t have a couple of seasons to flesh them out, you have to be sure to start with some pretty decent characters.
I notice they pull out the whole temporal crap when the writers are out of ideas. It’s happened in just about every iteration of ST.
5 words to fix the next one:
Joss Whedon meets Star Trek.
nuff said.
I was, mostly. I think I stopped watching around the time that the show introduced ‘Section 31.’ As should be obvious from my earlier posts, I most enjoyed the escapist kid-show elements of Star Trek. I used to enjoy imagining that humanity will continue to progress, that some day wars on Earth will be as outdated as slavery and torture. But of course slavery and torture aren’t outdated at all. The idea of a United Federation of Planets is far more unrealistic than faster-than-light travel. Star Trek started out as a kid’s show in an era of unrealistic, impractical ideas-- hippies, antiwar rallies, the space race-- and it managed to limp along for another 40 years because some of us didn’t want to accept that it was immature escapism all along. Humanity will never go to the stars. And if we do, it won’t be for knowledge, and it won’t be in peace, and humanity will be lying and backstabbing and enslaving and torturing each other every inch of the way.
:smack: Please disregard that post, all. I can’t keep straight which threads I’m even posting in.
In other words, you’d like to see;
Star Trek; Pakled, follows the less-than-stellar adventures of the UPS (United Pakled Ship) ship “Thingy”, in a not-so-bold continuing mission to find stuff that makes them go
and some other crazy ideas;
Star Trek; Collective; follows the “adventures” of a Borg Cube and it’s continuing mission to assimilate all cultures, while fending off lawsuits and cease-and-desists from their arch-nemisises, the Cybermen, who are after them for the theft of their intellectual property
Star Trek; SOL ; follow the misadventures of Evil Captain Mike Nelson, Evil XO Tom Servo, Evil Yeoman Crow T. Robot, and Captain’s Woman Evil Gypsy, along with Doctor Clayton Forester (Not Evil) and Ensign T.V.'s Frank (also Not Evil), just make sure to keep fresh batteries in your Agonizer at all times when watching, and make sure your Agony Booth is in good repair…
Star Trek; Melvarrr; the TOS crew are captured by a rabid fan and forced to re-enact bad fanscripts “until time stops”, special guest stars include an attractive Cyclops woman, a red-headed “everyman” type character, and a wisecracking, hard drinking, kleptomaniac robot…
Heck, why not an entire series set in the Mirror Universe?
Or for that matter, a series fully focused on a non-Terran culture, be it the Romulans and Remans, the Klingons, the Vulcans, the Andorians, the “Q” Continum…the Orions… 
In that vein, it’s too bad Majel died, because I’d love to hear her voice for the computer in
Star Trek: Paranoia!
The computer is your friend…
You don’t do motivational speaches by any chance do you? 
Star Trek: Maquis
A freighter crew that trades with the Maquis and tries not to interact with Federation ships. A Firefly rip off if you will.
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Great foundation for a new show… because we all know how well Firefly did…
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:rolleyes:
I’d like to see a series called Star Trek: Thling Anh. A gung-ho Federation officer with a reason to hate Klingons is stranded somewhere, rescued by a Klingon vessel, and has to spend years submersed in Klingon culture, ultimately going native and unable to fit into the Federation again.
I dunno…along with time travel the Klingons have been done to death.
Which is why they had all those evil, evil aliens, they were the bad us all along!
I like the optimistic idea of the Federation, I think grim series showing us the bad side of us all are thick enough on the ground to give Star Trek a pass.
And were never that interesting to begin with. Give another species some face time. The Romulans, for instance, are very rarely the focus of an episode or movie despite being long-time foes.
I can see Star Trek going a couple different ways. On the one hand, I loved when DS9 buckled down, got a story arc, got a little darker, and (slightly) more realistic. So, I think DS9 2: The Reconstruction could be really good. You get to explore how the Federation treats the defeated Dominion, versus how the Klingons and Romulans do. You get to watch Starfleet get more serious - I loved watching some of the more cheerful characters (especially Bashir) cope with their job getting nastier, and I think that could continue - make people cope with a nastier world. Maybe some of the previously dominion-subjugated species start getting nasty again, and don’t get put in their place by the end of the episode. It could be really good, but, I’m not sure it’d really be Star Trek.
The Star Trek I grew up on (mostly TNG) was not a story-arc series, and I think that has a lot of benefit. It means you expand your viewing base a lot - I never would have gotten into Star Trek if I’d had to watch every episode to ‘get’ it. In fact, when DS9 was on the air, I stopped watching when the war got too big - I was in high school, and without DVDs or a DVR, watching every episode wasn’t in the cards. Now, I think it’s a little easier to pull that off now - Battlestar Galactica’s doing pretty well - but it’s still limiting your audience to mostly sci-fi watchers. The reason Star Trek is so big now is that it was pretty damn accessible to begin with, and I don’t think you need to abandon that just to keep it good.
Instead, I think the main changes need to be quality-control, not big universe changes. First, I think you just ignore everything that’s already come out. Star Trek has so many contradictory, or poorly thought through, or just plain stoopid bits of canon floating around, that as soon as you start addressing them, you’re gonna get bogged down in details. So, just start fresh. Don’t say time travel is impossible, just don’t use it yourself. Don’t nix the Holodeck entirely, but only use it for self-contained storylines, don’t make it a fix-all. Above all, stop making the characters do retarded things to advance the plot, and stop letting them swap polarities to fix things in time for the end credits.
The other main thing I’d like to see (and entirely contradicting my point about making it accessible) is them not trying to update everything. Sure, use better effects, maybe skip the 70s go-go boots, but please don’t try and make it ‘darker and edgier’. The trailer for the new movie made me wince every time Kirk scowled all angsty-like, or got naked in silhouette, or had lots of fast-moving cameras showing stuff exploding. Let’s not do Star Wangst, please - I can live without seeing boobs or an explosion every 30 seconds, thanks, and I do not need Drama-with-a-capital-D between main characters just to stay interested. You can have relationships, but I’d really rather have the focus be on the trekking, ya know? And lets face it, big space explosions have never been Star Trek’s strong point, and they’ve managed despite that. Lets not go the Episode 1 route and throw in a kitchen sink just to make it flashy - I can live with somewhat slower, less flashy battle scenes, just concentrate on the writing. Heh, we all have our fantasies, right?
I agree with the list Chimera had for the most part as well. In the past, Star Trek had to be episodic because it was unreasonable to assume a person could catch every episode in order. But now, with TV on demand, it is easier to start at the beginning so the writers can tell more complicated stories.
My idea for a show would take place in the Next Generation era, but center around a family instead of a ship. The parents would have spent a career in starfleet, and perhaps still do, but they live and work on Earth where they raised their family.
The oldest son follows in his Dad’s (Dad could somebody that had a role on a previous version of Star Trek) footsteps and is on the fast track to command a starship. His story would be the most star-treky but he would serve on multiple ships to give the audience a perspective on how different crews operate.
The middle son I would have cast in the mold of Captain Kirk. He loves the adventure of space travel but bristles at what he considers restrictive policies in starfleet. He has drifted away from Starfleet into merchant ships and is dabbling with smuggling. His story would show us the working side of the universe and would have a firefly feel to it. The main “enemy” of the show would be introduced through this story because they would use the smugglers as a way to infiltrate the federation. As the show goes on, this brother would find himself pitted against his other brothers.
The third brother would start the series in the academy. His education would also serve as the education for the audience to learn how the ships work and why they use certain tactics in certain situations. I hate the techno babble and miracle solutions. I think by introducing certain rules in this storyline it will lend a greater impact on battles since the audience will know what the ship can and more importantly cannot do. Later seasons he would move onto a starship, perhaps as a marine to have a perspective different from the first brother who would be in command.
The series itself would unfold similar to The Wire. Each season would focus on a particular story which would end as the characters moved on. This broadens the scope of the show. Early seasons would focus primarily on the ships, but later seasons would move the story away from the ships into the political realm so by the time the final season arrives we can see the fight from the point of view of the leaders, the starships, the soldiers, the civilians, and even the enemy.
I remember an episode of DS9 I forget the title, but Worf and Dax were sent on a secret mission to meet a Cardassian undercover agent who had important information the Federation needed in the war against the Dominion. Dax gets injured so Worf dumps the mission to carry Dax to safety. They go back to DS9 and Sisko tells Worf he shouldn’t have abandoned the mission, the agent got
killed instead of rescued, and Sisko basically says ‘never mind’? That bugged me when I saw it. I’d imagine in a real war the very least Worf would be facing would be demotion. Also I doubt they send married couples off into combat. There’s a lot of examples of this kind of thing in ST, but that one always bugged me.