If Trump wins in November, who should be more dismayed, Republicans or Democrats?

So let’s say that Trump pulls off an unthinkable victory over Clinton in the November election. Who has more reason for dismay, Republicans or Democrats?

On the one hand, the Democrats would have lost an election, and they get to see Trump wreck the country for 4 years. But Trump would be such a disastrous president that he might wreck Republican electoral hopes for over a decade to come.

So it looks like a Trump victory would be short-term defeat for the Democrats but long term Democratic gain, no?

Depends what kind of laws he passes, what judgeship appointments he’d make, and how he’d treat other countries, no? After all, sufficient “losses” in those departments might not make the “long term Democratic gain” worth it for them.

And this isn’t even touching the potential shift in political strategy and figures who run for office.

I don’t think 4 years of unwise policy is good for anybody. The lesser of all evils is… Sanders. The lesser of two is Clinton.

It depends on his Supreme Court nominees.



One never roots for a loss in hopes that the other party crashes and burns and give you hope for the future.

Even worse is to lose the presidency and do everything in your power to make the country crash and burn so that you can take control of the wreckage.

Everyone should be dismayed, same as if Hulk Hogan won the election.

“Dismayed”? Oh, man, if only George Carlin could see this!

No, seriously, both parties and all the TV news people will have reason to be dismayed. It’s not about either team, it’s about someone trouncing both teams and taking over the whole stadium.

Farther than that: all humans residing on this planet. Well, the ISS residents, too, come to think of it.

Trump is a thin-skinned bully who will bristle every time a head of state fails to kowtow sufficiently. He will commit war crimes in retaliation for those slights he’ll inevitably suffer from foreign leaders. Sanctions will be imposed, to the extent that other nations have the ability to impose them. All Americans will suffer, as will many citizens of other nations.

And then, on Day Two…

Depends on how many people are fooled by the Fox News chyron “Donald Trump (D)”.


Buy stock in home-bomb shelters, is all I can say.

Frankly, I think it spells a certain doom for both parties. Putting aside his policy decisions, executive actions, and appointments, a Trump victory would symbolize that the country has flat-out sold the establishment candidates. As it stands, even losing the nomination, both he and Sanders represent a significant dissatisfaction with both parties, and if he gets the nomination and loses in the general, it’s definitely turmoil in the Republican party, but obviously reasonably fine for the Democrats, barring a disastrous presidency by Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.

If, however, he beats Hillary, that means the electorate so thoroughly rejected her, as the most establishment candidate from either major party, that they chose him, the embodiment of anti-establishment, over her, I think would leave the party leadership looking at how they need to adjust their message to bring back the sort of fire that Obama did in 2008 and Hillary lacked in her loss to him Trump only 8 years later. And, obviously, we can posit how disastrous Trump’s presidency may be, but if it’s neutral to positive, they HAVE to go toward a more youth-appealing message, and if it’s negative, we might just end up with another candidate like Hillary in 2020.

If, however, it ends up being Bernie that he defeats, I think we’ll end up seeing a double-down on an establishment candidate from the Democrats in 2020, that Bernie was just too extreme or too liberal and they needed someone more like Hillary to pull the middle to the Democrats. The thing is, though, I’d honestly think that’s the wrong lesson to take, but I also think this is an unlikely scenario.

For the Republicans, I think Trump has already done most of the damage he’s going to do. It may not really manifest this election cycle, but it’s shows the continuing fragmentation of the party. Hell, I think the most damage he could do would be if he DOESN’T win the nomination, particularly due to some shenanigans resulting in a brokered election for Cruz or Rubio. All the supporters of Trump would feel disenfranchised, and they’d stay home, vote third party, or even vote for Hillary (though unlikely for Sanders) to demonstrate their dissatisfaction. Hell, I saw not too dissimilar to this situation play out in Virginia in the last gubernatorial election, the Republican candidate selected by caucus for fear a less establishment candidate might get it, and even an unpopular Democrat was able to win.

Let’s not forget the conspiracy theories, particularly among more hard-line Republicans that Trump is actually a secret Democrat and he’s deliberately doing this to help his friends, the Clintons, win by speeding up the fracturing of the party. And maybe if he DOES win, he’s just secretly going to push the liberal agenda… or something.

So, really, I guess Republicans are in a lot of trouble, Democrats potentially in some, and then it all depends on just how it plays out

Democrats. Underneath Trump’s bluster and blather is a pretty standard-issue GOP agenda. Why should Republicans be upset if he wins?

The most recent episode of On the Media reran a mockumentary from last year, “Looking Back on the Trump Presidency” (it’s near the end).

The premise is that, immediately after his election, the lame-duck session of Congress passes, and Obama signs, unprecedentedly bipartisan legislation to strip the Presidency of most of the executive powers accumulated over the past century. Also, a lot of bad things happen.

It was hilarious when they first ran it after Trump declared his candidacy last summer. Now? Not so much.