Im not the smartest guy in the world, and I dont claim to be. I read alot of posts on this board saying that we cant go into Iraq, Afagan, and the various other middle eastern countries that want the USA dead. My suggestion is that we use our military force to go into the countries, start wasting anyone that so much as points a gun at a US troop, and take over the nations by force. Basically declare martial law on those countries. The strong will survive. These fucking psychos dont seem to be able to think clearly and most of their lives are completely clouded with extremist religous views. They cant take care of themselves, so lets babysit them. With guns and grenades. If we dont, this will keep happening.
Phlip: a little advice.
When it’s patently obvious – even to yourself – that you know nothing about who did this, or of Middle Eastern countries in general, spewing forth uninformed opinion does not make you look smarter.
Phlip - your advice wouldn’t stop this sort of tragedy only create more.
Crusoe, I probably know a hell of alot more about the mentality of the middle-eastern folk than you do. I spent 2 years in Kuwait, Saudi, and even parts of Iraq as a hazardous waste disposal engineer. You keep getting all of your info from MSNBC or whatever. There is nothing wrong with that. Just dont try to make someone else look dumb when you have no clue where they are coming from.
Just because I have spent a good amount of time there, doesnt make me the authority on the subject. Im not the smartest guy in the world. I do know enough to form my own opinions though. You sound like the type of person that will wait, and wait, and wait to take any sort of action on something, so that you can analyze all of the facts. Well, I can assure you that we will not know all of the facts about this disaster for years, if we even figure it out at all. SO we should just sit around with our collective thumbs up our asses until it happenes again right?
You say you know a lot, then generalise about all people in several countries. You make it sound like it would be easy to go in and invade. You make it sound like you know who is responsible for todat. You make is sound like it would be easy to invade and rule several countries.
You say I’m wrong to wait until all facts are known. Fine. You are, of course, entitled to that opinion. But when lives are at stake, would you want deaths caused by rash actions on your conscience? When someone is likely to die because of my actions, I would want to know all of the facts first.
Hrm. Re-reading my initial post, that did come across as quite arrogant, and for that I apologise.
Philp, I’m sure you’ve seen more anti-Americanism than I have. I’m also sure it’s not every human being in the Middle East expressing it. Maybe it’s not even the majority (or where it is, I suppose you have to look and who’s spoon-feeding them this hateful rhetoric).
Invading other countries is not feasible (for reasons of manpower or diplomacy), and some, including myself, would argue that until you can prove that a country is at war with you it’s absolutely wrong. It would only feed violence and terrorism, and create more martyrs.
Rememeber, the people that did this were in the US. Troops on the streets of Tehran or Baghdad won’t stop terrorists in the US.
Philip, Israel is doing what you suggested to the Palestinians, and look where it got them.
Phlip-we tried this. In Central America. In South America. Chile. Nicaragua. Cuba. Guatemala. El Salvador.
Well, this will get me flamed, but its the Pit and its how I’m feeling.
I agree we can’t go in and take their countries by force. That’s why we should just nuke the whole lot of 'em. Every one of those crazy bastard countries that has its people cheering in the streets for thousands of dead innocent civilians. Their minds are warped and will never be fixed by deterrents or threats or even a bombing or two. We need to annihilate them. Flatten out the whole middle-east and the world will be a safer, nicer place.
Of course, I would never go through with that, but sometimes I wonder; is that my emotions talking, or emotionless reason?
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Going on the assumption that bin Ladin was responsible (which is extremely likely), I’d like to further mention that the Soviets already tried to take control of Afghanistan in recent years.
That is not to say that America is incapable of accomplishing what the Soviets were unable to do themselves. I have actually discussed taking the offending country by force several times today. I also know that it would be too costly and counterproductive.
In light of the callous disregard shown for human life, we may need to sweep aside some of our own fears about collateral damage and break a few eggs while we smash the daylights out of this bunch of terrorist thugs.
Look, Phlip, I’m neither squeamish nor a pacifist. My personal preference would be to hunt down the ratfuckers who are responsible for this and put them to death as painfully as possible. If they are indeed Islamic fanatics, then be creative–do they go to Paradise if they’re executed by being boiled to death in pig fat? If there is a(re) country(ies) involved in all of this, then I will support war against them–I think the time for pussyfooting around is over.
But there are two “ifs” too many in my statement–we don’t knowyet. And to attack countries that may well have had nothing to do with it…then we would throw away the moral high ground and become no better than the turds with arms who attacked us.
Think of it this way–should we grab and execute everyone who is against abortion, because a few of them commit murder over it? Should we imprison every male for rape because a few actually commit rapes? It’s pretty much the same thing.
Zenster: I agree with your last paragraph, but I also think we need to make sure we’re using logic rather than rage when we make these decisions–and for most of us that takes a little time. I will confess that for the first several hours my opinion of inflicting acceptable collateral damage (or dead noncombatants; let’s call it what it is) would have involved Trident missiles. But eventually reason returned–in a way it really sucks that it took so short a time, since it means I’m getting progressively more immune to horrible shit–and I realized that wasn’t the way.