If you are carrying water for Donald Trump, even now - especially now - kindly go fuck yourself

This was beautiful. My heart hurts a little less today. Thanks!

This.

I couldn’t concede the moral high ground back to Donald Trump unless I committed several war crimes. So thanks for the “concern” but I don’t need it. I will continue to pour my scorn upon the man, secure in the knowledge that he richly deserves far more contempt than I’ll ever be able to produce.

Why ask them to do so “kindly?” I’d prefer something more like this.

If you aren’t carrying water for Trump, then don’t make posts like this. Don’t make small issues like this seem like they are some widespread problem. Don’t weaken actual real arguments about conspiracies (i.e. the Russia issue). Don’t portray people as hyperventilating rather than being legitimately upset or legitimately scared.

And, well, there is no moral obligation to defend someone, even if they are being maligned. You can decide that the person is so awful that you do more harm than good in defending them. And you can correct misconceptions without actually defending the man or attacking people who were misled. (That includes conservatives who just have to get digs on liberals, even though we’re currently on the same side here–against Trump.)

Finally, given Trump’s election, I’m not so sure the high ground is as important as people make it out to be anyways. Sure seems odd that suddenly Republicans and conservatives are constantly pushing the Democrats in this way, when before they were all about how freedom of speech meant everyone could be assholes, and no one had any right to be offended.

And don’t come telling me that it’s my responsibility to reach out to these traitors and to make sure that I’m not alienating them, because “hey - these are your fellow Americans”. Clearly, some of them are not.

The Better Angels of our Nature have a lot to answer for.

It must blow Trumpist minds that not that they are best buds with Russia and Russia is buds with Iran, that they are on the same side as all those Iranians they are supposed to hate. How are they ever going to give up a war with Tehran now?

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Literally the only reassuring part of this whole story is that Trump is so catastrophically incompetent. If he were even slightly better at keeping his stupid mouth shut, this story might be relegated to the list of left-wing conspiracy theories.

Then I remember that the republicans in congress are still supporting him despite that, and I realize just how fucked we are. At this point, I don’t think voting for any republican at any level of government can be morally justified. The party is evil, corrupt, and utterly unwilling to even pretend that they care about accountability for anyone working on their “side”.

I hear Preparation H[sup]tm[/sup] helps that.

I told you all to vote for Gary Johnson, so this is the result. Screw all of you who wasted your votes on that idiot Clinton. You made your bed; now sleep in it.

This

And this.

ISTM that the first applies to a number of Dopers.

Fuck Gary Johnson for being an ignorant buffoon that acted like he didn’t even want the job half the time.

On a message board devoted to fighting ignorance, I am comfortable “carrying water” for the actual facts, whoever they may benefit.

Call Trump an clueless boob, and I won’t dispute you.

Call him an arsonist and I will, even though he’s the worst President in my memory. Because when you care about facts, then there arises an obligation to defend Trump against the accusation that he’s an arsonist.

Not because I wish to defend Trump, but because I have an interest in fighting ignorance.

It’s a tweet, but you are not wrong.

[QUOTE=Trump]
As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining…
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Trump]
…to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism.
[/QUOTE]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

Not to worry, there’s a pretty good firebreak between the two.

Seriously, sharing intel with Russia that you won’t even share with out allies? Meeting with the Ruskies in the Oval Office, photographed ONLY by Tass, and the excuse is “What am I gonna do, say no to Putin?” Seriously? And you’ve all spent the last 8 years masturbating about Benghazi and the last 3 years saying “OMG! Emails!” and THIS doesn’t bother you? Cheeto has a cult of personality that Kim Jong Un would kill for. Even the adoring North Korean crowds cheering for their Dear Leader have nothing on Republicans. If you voted for this imbecile, you got conned. If you still support him, you’re stupid beyond imagination.

I disagree, the constant criticism and relentless attacks have kept Trump off balance and on the defensive. He still has hundreds of postitions unstaffed and his agenda is derailed.

Whoever’s forcing you to do it— have they made a list of demands, or is it just a vendetta campaign designed to make you look like an asshole?

Either way, I’m wearing my ribbon and praying for your safe return.

Don’t have to wait for an interview.

Tweeting this morning-

He still can’t let go of the whole crowd size thing. Keeping him on the boil is so easy and so productive.

And this is because crackpots on the Internet are ranting? Uh, okay.

Regards,
Shodan