If you are going to run a business in America, SPEAK ENGLISH.

Or Greek, or Spanish. I missed the executive order forcing people to buy at that place. If you don’t like it just don’t go there and leave it for the people who do like it. Suppose the Chinese man is not doing his best to serve you. Why don’t you just go somewhere else? How is it any different from the thousands of Americans who do not do their best to serve you either? If he does not satisfy enough customers he will go out of business. That’s the beauty of capitalism and free markets.

Suppose he is doing his best. How can you demand more? Do you think you would do better if circumstances forced you to make a living in China? How fast could you open a business there? And serve your customers in perfect Chinese?

These people are admirable. They have travelled around the world for a better opportunity. They arrive with nothing, not even the language, and they manage to start a business and by the second generation they are above average in America. If that is not admirable I don’t know what is. There are plenty of Americans who have it much easier and can’t do shit but stay on welfare. You see them hanging out at street corners every day complaining about how America is giving them a raw deal.

I had a similar Chinese corner store aound the corner where I used to buy food all the time. the entire family lived there and it was amazing how the second generation were so hard working with their studies. They would be doing their homework while minding the store. It all came to an end when an all-American teenager shot and killed the grandfather in an attempt to rob the money in the till.

I see kids hanging out in street corners and up to no good every day and they ain’t the Chinese kids. Maybe some American kids could learn a thing or two from the Chinese.

And what’s fucking ironic is that a bunch of Americans can’t even agree on how the fucking word is pronounced. Learn Greek you losers! And then learn Spanish if you want to go to the bodega!

How can you demand more?

Number the non-chinese dishes?

If i understood you correctly, you didn’t want to point to the pictures of the food because it was too condescending? How is pointing to the food causing a scene???

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Was this your first time to the restaurant? Doesn’t seem to be. So how did you order gyros in the past?

And i think the least you could do was to pronounce gyro in such a way that the waiter could understand it. Not just the ‘prim and proper’ way. I think THAT’s condescending. So you thought it might be possible the waiter didn’t understand your oh-so-proper English or Greek or wadeva, would understand the ‘degrading’ way of pronouncing gyro, but YOU didn’t want to descend to their level of speech.

You went all the way to the restaurant, gave a half-assed pronunciation of gyro, and fed up that they couldn’t understand you, without attempting further communication, waltzed out of the restaurant.

Hence, you are now whining about how hungry you are.

Heck. If i were them, i’d probably not want you as a customer.

I was looking for an apt. in Weehawken, or West New York—some NJ town on the Hudson—about ten years ago. I found a local groecery store, and stopped in to see if they had what I’d need on a weekly basis.

“Do you have kitty litter?” Blank look. “Kit-ty lit-ter?” Blank look. I finally tried to mime a cat pooping and burying it, and they pointed toward the door and indicated that perhaps I should leave. Never did move to that town.

Slight hijack: did we derive the name for a ‘hero’ sandwich (aka sub/submarine/poorboy) from this?

Ya know, maybe he would have understood your order had you pronounced Gyro correctly. I am certain that it must be difficult for them to understand our accents when we pronounce words correctly, it must be really confusing when we don’t.

I’m also at a loss to understand why you didn’t point to the picture to save him some embarrassment but instead stood there trying to verbally make him understand (when he clearly wasn’t) and then walk out. It is JMHO, but that seems more condescending and embarrassing.

Forget the foreign-food places; around here, in Chicago, you feel like you’re speaking to Martians at practically any Subway. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to shout, while pointing, “Lettuce, cucumbers, and green peppers” a dozen times while the employee continues to pile on olives and cheese…

I had a similar frustration with some people hired by the rental agency we’d rented our house from a couple of years ago. They’d been sent to clean our gutters… my dog was barking at them from the back yard, which is when I realized they were even there, as they hadn’t even rung the doorbell to let me know. I went outside to ask them if they needed me to kennel the dog so they could get to the back of the house, and the guy looked at me confused, shrugged his shoulders, and said “no hablo Ingles.” I hadn’t taken any spanish lessons at that point (I’ve taken a few since), so I had no way to communicate with this man, so I went back inside without another word.

A while later, he rang the doorbell and started saying something about “pero! pero!” I didn’t know at the time that pero was the spanish word for dog, so I didn’t know what he was asking for until he started miming a dog barking with his hand.

I was so frustrated by this experience, not because I want anyone to lose their own culture or language, but because I agree with the original poster, that to work in this country where, although we don’t have an “official” language, the predominant language is english, you MUST be able to communicate with your customers. If you frustrate your customers, you lose them, no?

Jess

I’ve lived enough different places to know that in the U.S., there IS no “correct” pronunciation for gyro. It varies by region, and by person, and you name it. I always use about three or four different pronunciations till I hit on one that the person recognizes, because I’ve used “yee-ro” (which I always thought was probably closest to the Greek pronunciation, although I could of course be wrong) to people and had them stare at me blankly until I say “JIE-ro.” Go figure.

Maybe you should go back and try and get a manager who DOES speak English and ask them to number the whole menu. I’ve dealt with lots of small businesses run by basically non-English-speaking folks and had very successful transactions as long as there were numbers.

And pointing is always acceptable, too. Here AND elsewhere. I still miss the restaurants in Japan that had spectacular (to the point of looking edible) plastic displays of all the meals they served, so you could just take your server out and point to the one you wanted. I still don’t know what some of what I ate actually WAS, but it tasted delicious! And I never had a problem getting what I wanted, either.

Oh god… major pet peeve here. “Taziki”… grrr.

Even worse… “tazini” or “tahini”, when you know they don’t want tahini, they want tzatziki.

Insightful!

There was a time when an American white kid in Subway didn’t understand “hala-penyo”. I just pointed to it. I didn’t feel like he should have known the right pronounciation for it. In the same vein, I think the OP is asking for too much from Chinese immigrants.

There was a time when an American white kid in Subway didn’t understand “hala-penyo”. I just pointed to it. I didn’t feel like he should have known the right pronunciation for it.

In the same vein, I think the OP is asking for too much from Chinese immigrants.

I tried to order a “croissant” at Dunkin’ Donuts once at the drive up and I finally had to drive up to the window and say "look, it’s on the menu. Spelled croissant. (I pronounced it “cwasant”, for lack of a better description). Finally I said "It’s a pastry, kinda like a donut, only shaped like a cresent roll. She says “OH, you want a cresant roll?” I said “Well, you’re menu says “croissant”, so that’s what I ordered”. She still had that dumb cow look, so I said “Whatever- I want a cresent roll- whatever you have that is cresent shaped”.

Jeepers, she she spoke perfect english, just had no idea what a croissant was. I blame Burger King and them saying “Crasandwich” for so many years.

Ahem, at the risk of taking sides with an obviously ignorant Chinese person and looking a fool…

What is a Gyro? Seriously.

If you merkins are going to borrow words from other languages then how do you expect the rest of us to know what you’re on about, far less native speakers of an entirely different language?

So, about that thread title: If you are going to run a business in America, SPEAK AMERICAN ENGLISH WORDS ADOPTED FROM THE GREEK. , which seems reasonable enough. :slight_smile:

Well, of COURSE.

The proper pronunciation is halla-PAIN-yo.

Brings to mind a tale the Troll told me, about a time he drove back to Houston to see his mother.

Houston, Texas, is about a four hour drive from where we lived at the time, so he’d been on the road awhile when, as he drove up Westheimer in his huge, ancient white Cadillac, thick ugly black smoke began belching out from under the hood and the wheel wells. What the HELL?

The Troll went from “seein’ fine” to “visibility zero” in a matter of seconds. Frantically, he jerked the wheel to the right, hoping like mad no one was in his way, and hoping even more that he was aimed at where he remembered the convenience store’s parking lot to be.

He felt no bump; he hadn’t hit a curb. He coasted a ways, hoping desperately that no one was in his way, and when he simply couldn’t stand it any more (the smoke had begun leaking into the car, choking him with the stink of burning rubber), he slammed on the brakes, threw it into PARK, and killed the engine.

Leaping from the car, he saw that he had in fact made it into the convenience store parking lot. No one else was in the parking lot. He was out of traffic. He ran around to the front end, which was still belching great black gaseous turds of smoke, and fiddled with the hood release, burning his hands in the process.

The Cadillac’s hood burst open, and a fireball erupted skyward. “Holy FUCK,” thought the Troll, “MY FUCKING CAR IS ON FUCKING FIRE!”

He leaped backwards, away from the roaring inferno atop his engine.

His butt hit… the gas pumps.

He had parked his burning car less than six feet from the gas pumps.

The Troll about lost his MIND.

He leaped into the car, hoping to move it. He tried to start the engine. The car screamed like a horse might if you stuck it in an industrial drill press, but it did not start.

He tried to put the car in neutral. No go. Something was wrong with the transmission or the shift lever. The car wasn’t moving.

He ran, screaming, into the convenience store, howling at the clerk to call the fire department, get some water, get SOMETHING!

The clerk, a middle-aged Korean man, looked at him funny. The clerk then turned, carefully selected a pack of Marlboro Reds from the rack behind him, and placed them on the counter. “Dolla fotty nye,” he said, which gives you some clue as to how long ago this happened.

The Troll stood there, aghast. “Hey!” he cried. “My fucking CAR is on fire! It’s out there, next to the PUMPS! Where’s your fucking PHONE?”

The clerk looked at him. An irritated look creeped over the man’s face. He replaced the Marlboros, and pulled down a pack of Marlboro Lights, and dropped them on the counter. “Dolla fotty nye.”

The Troll relates to me that at this point, he actually began to see stars. His vision became a little red around the edges. “HEY, FUCKHEAD!” he screamed, causing the clerk to jump a bit. The Troll spun and pointed out at the plate glass front of the building. Some twenty yards away, right next to the gas pumps, the Caddy was still burning merrily away. “ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND? IF YOU DON’T CALL THE FUCKING FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOUR ENTIRE FUCKING LIVELIHOOD IS ABOUT TO GO UP IN A BIG FUCKING FIREBALL! DO YOU COMPRENDE “FIREBALL?” HOW ABOUT “KABOOM?” DOES THE WORD “DIE” MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU?”

The Clerk got a sour look on his face. He did not appreciate this big stupid white man screaming at him. He put the Marlboros away, pulled down a pack of Camels, and put them on the counter. “Dolla fotty nye.”

The Troll froze. He told me that his first instinct was to hit the guy… but how could he really attack the guy for just… standing there… not knowing how to speak English? It wasn’t HIS fault that someone had driven a blazing deathtrap into his parking lot and parked it next to the gas pumps. But – couldn’t he SEE? Troll spun around. The burning car was still there. So were the gas pumps. For how long?

“Dolla fotty nye,” said the clerk, testily.

The Troll turned and looked at the clerk. What the FUCK? He really was having a hard time believing the man couldn’t see this giant burning land yacht parked out front. Idly, he wondered what would happen if he grabbed the guy, dragged him over the counter, and pointed his face out the front door. Would he notice THEN what was going on? (You had to know the Troll. He was big enough to do just that, hence the name).

…and while he stood there, staring at the testy little man… he noticed the giant red fire extinguisher, hanging on the wall, right next to the big rack of cigarettes.

Without a moment’s hesitation, the Troll launched himself over the counter.

The clerk screamed. “HYEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!” He leaped back. Troll ignored him, tore the fire extinguisher off the wall, and launched himself back over the counter, and headed for the front door.

“HYEEEE!” screamed the clerk again. “NO! YOU TEEF! YOU STEAL! YOU NO STEAL! YOU BRING BACK!”

The Troll slammed through the front doors, tearing the tag and locking ring off the extinguisher.

The clerk tore through the door after him. “YOU TEEF! YOU NO STEAL! YOU BRING BACK! YOU TEEF! YOU TEEEEEEF!!!”

The Troll sprinted across the parking lot, grabbed the little dangling hose, and furiously began hosing chemical foam at the blast furnace under his hood. The flames quickly vanished, but the thick, billowy smoke got thicker, and continued to gush from the engine compartment. The Troll kept hosing, furiously!

“YOU TEEF! NOT FOR YOU! YOU NO PAY! YOU TEEF! YOU STEAL! YOU PAY! YOU BRING BACK! YOU TEEF!”

The Troll ignored the little man, and kept blasting. As he hosed into the swirling smoky mass, the volume of smoke began to decrease. Troll realized that the fire was probably out, and what he was seeing was evaporation from the red-hot metal. He decided not to take any chances, and kept blasting the stuff into the front of his car.

“YOU NO PAY! YOU PAY! YOU PAY! YOU PAY! YOU GIVE BACK! YOU TEEF!”

As the smoke finally began to clear… and as the engine finally ceased to make more… the Troll could see the fused, melted remains of his engine block. The fire was out. The wind dispersed the thick, nasty smoke.

The Troll realized that something was tapping him on the back. He turned around. The little clerk was furiously clubbing him with closed fists. “YOU TEEF! YOU BRING BACK! NOT YOURS! YOU STEAL! YOU NO STEAL! YOU PAY! YOU TEEF!”

The Troll waited for the realization to sink in on the little man. The Troll stood (and stands) some six foot three, and weighs some 250 pounds. The little Korean clerk stood perhaps five foot four, and was maybe a hundred and ten, dripping wet. Plainly, it would not take long for the little man to get a grip.

The little man did not get a grip. He did notice that the Troll had turned around, though, and quit hitting him. Instead, the clerk settled for waving his hands around and pointing angrily, still keeping up his litany of “YOU TEEF! YOU NO PAY! YOU GIVE BACK! YOU PAY! YOU NO RUN! YOU TEEF! YOU PAY,” only now, the speech was interspersed with what Troll assumed was some sort of Korean profanity. He couldn’t understand it, but it sure SOUNDED profane.

He just stood there. What the hell was he supposed to do? He opened his mouth to try to explain.

The clerk waved his hands in front of Troll’s face. He didn’t want to hear it. “YOU TEEF! YOU NO PAY! YOU GIVE BACK!”

The Troll thought about it. He held out the fire extinguisher.

“YOU STEAL! YOU NO PAY! YOU–”

The clerk realized that the Troll was offering him the extinguisher. He stopped talking for a moment. He took the extinguisher. An odd look of alacrity crossed the man’s face. Plainly, the Troll had realized he was not going to get away with this shocking act of public theft, and was surrendering his stolen property.

The clerk waved a naughty finger at the Troll. “No steal!” he admonished. And then he walked back into the store with the extinguisher. There was no clue he had ever noticed the burning car at all.

The police showed up shortly thereafter, and politely asked the Troll for some sort of explanation. Someone had reported a fire in the vicinity. Troll told them what had happened. The other officer went into the store to speak with the clerk. Troll was a bit worried about that – he HAD technically assaulted the man and stolen his extinguisher – but surely, the police would understand. Then again, this was Houston, Texas, where the cops do NOT have a reputation for being kind or reasonable.

While the officer outside took the Troll’s statement, Troll glanced nervously at the front of the store. Through the glass, he could see the little Korean man, as well as several OTHER Koreans who had apparently materialized out of nowhere, all gesturing and talking to the officer inside. The clerk occasionally paused to point at the Troll.

Troll waited.

Shortly thereafter, the cop walked out. He was chuckling.

“The store manager says you stole his fire extinguisher, but he made you give it back,” snickered the cop. “He says since you gave it back, he won’t press charges.”

“Officer,” said the Troll, “did he ever actually notice that my car was on fire, and parked right next to his gas pumps?”

The cop quit laughing. He glanced at his clipboard. “You know,” the cop said, “he never actually mentioned it…”

A gyro is a sort of wrapped sandwich. It has lamb, which has been ground, spiced, grilled, and sliced in thin strips, plus tomatoes and onion. It usually has a sauce made of yogurt, garlic, and cucmbers (tzatziki), although I have also seen them served with a reddish spicy sauce of unknown name/origin/contents.

All this is wrapped up in a piece of greek pita, which a flatbread that is puffier and chewier than middle eastern pita.

Wang Ka, you did it again.

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I had my hair cut once by a lady who didn’t speak fluent English; she chopped six inches off when I wanted a light trim. Next time I went to get my hair cut, I asked for a fluent English speaker, and got treated like I was a flaming racist. Note that I didn’t ask for a white woman, nor did I say that I wouldn’t let a Chinese person cut my hair; all I asked for was someone who could communicate with me in the language of the land we live in. I couldn’t care less what nationality cuts my hair; all they have to do is communicate with me so I don’t lose another six inches of hair.

If losing 6 inches of hair isn’t a bad enough problem, how about people with food allergies getting food that isn’t safe for them because the server can’t understand what they’re asking? How about people working in hospital admittance who can’t understand what your symptoms are? It’s not racist to expect people who come to Canada to speak either English or French fluently. They are the languages of this country; I wouldn’t go to China and expect the whole country to convert to English for me.

I get gyros from the Frank 'N Stein at the mall about twice a week.

I used to say YEE-ros, as I was raised (in a suburban Southern town with a Greek resturant run by actual Greeks). But the Japanese/ Mexican/ Indian/ server du jours stared at me strangely.

So GYE-ros it is.

I feel dirty.

I shudder to think what the bastardized version of “halla penyos” is. Jal AP an ohs?