But does Google Translate give you the C O N T E X T?
(It’s the punchline of an old, old joke).
(And I apologize for posting in a foreign language. I know it’s against the rules).
Look, any question I can ask in GQ/FQ, I can also ask Google, and probably get a faster answer. But if I do that, why does this board even need to exist? All of us here have made the conscious choice to get our answers through actual human interaction instead of a faceless search engine, despite the fact that doing so makes no logical sense. It’s the only reason we’re still here.
My problem isn’t with people asking questions, my problem is with people giving answers when they clearly do not know what they are talking about. If someone asks, for example, how to clear their DNS cache in Windows 11, someone insisting that you explain what a DNS cache is probably doesn’t have the answer to that question, and the questioner shouldn’t have to feel the need to provide a remedial lesson in Domain Name Servers just to ask a simple question.
I think this is a symptom of this being such a small forum–on a massive forum like Reddit nobody would assume that every post there needs to be fully comprehendable to every member there or else it is rude and inappropriate.
My mind was primed to this topic already a couple of days before I posted by seeing a very useful Facebook image post made by a relative:
(To which “I replied I’m not familiar with this philosophy, but it sounds wrong.”)
Honestly, I don’t have any problem with someone asking “what does this concept mean?”. What I take issue with is the attitude “I don’t know what this means, and that’s a YOU problem, not a ME problem”.
I don’t think anyone would complain about a post that reads:
“AGI is Artificial General Intelligence, right? I looked it up, but I still don’t really understand - what exactly does it mean for intelligence to be ‘general’?”
While that poster probably will not contribute much to the topic of “Is AI overjoyed”, they may still start an interesting spin off conversation.
I guess what bothers me is the attitude “Why don’t you take the time to spell out acronyms for me?” asked by someone who’s not willing to take the time to Google three letters.
You know, my personal issue is often getting to “artificial general intelligence”, not wondering what “artificial general intelligence” means. As i said above, i often don’t recognize acronyms. I’m astonished at how some people do. I honestly think it’s a difference in language processing. (Human language processing, not machine language processing.) For me, every acronym is effectively a new word, and only loosely tied to the words it came from, if it’s tied to them at all. And… Google isn’t great for translating acronyms, because there are too many acronyms and they often overlap. Asking a human being in the thread what an acronym means seems perfectly reasonable to me. I’m always surprised how much hostility it provokes.
And fwiw, i am not saying you shouldn’t use acronyms. I’m not suggesting the OP should have spelled it out. I’m just saying that asking what it means is generally a reasonable strategy, and a hell of a lot less frustrating than googling acronyms, and no one person has the responsibility to answer, but no one should take offense at the question, either.
As noted above, looking up AGI gives Artificial General Intelligence as the second result, and searching for AGI AI immediately gives you the correct result. Google does just fine at translating acronyms if you either add a second word to give Google context, or if you just glance at the results themselves and think about it for 30 seconds rather than picking the first one and returning to the thread to whine about how Adjusted Gross Income doesn’t make any sense in context.
I just don’t think that dropping a technical acronym in a thread about a technical subject is a problem. Just google ‘[Acronym] [Subject]’ and you’re good to go.
The only time I think naked acronyms are a problem is when they’re dropped almost completely without context, where you’d have no idea what [Subject] to Google alongside the acronym. An egregious example:
Of course, rather than whine about it, I just thought it over for a while until it clicked that they mean “Sexually Assaulted”. Initializing that might be some kind of “trigger warning” thing? Which is why I didn’t call it out in the original thread.
That being said, that’s a far more confusing acronym than any technical acronym in a thread on that technical topic would ever be.
Spoken as a man who has spent many fewer hours of his life googling acronyms than i have.
I don’t think it’s a problem to use technical acronyms. I do it all the time. God knows i used lots of technical acronyms when i worked. But I do think it’s a problem to get bent out of shape if someone asks what one means. That’s a critical difference.
Maybe, maybe not. I Google pretty much any word or name or concept I’m not familiar with, sometimes even if I can figure it out from context because I like to find out if there’s any nuance I might be missing, and let’s be honest - because having a guess confirmed is a dopamine rush.
I have no issue with someone asking what an acronym means. I have a problem with someone acting like the fact that an acronym they are unfamiliar with was used is a personal insult or imposition on them in some way.
“What does AGI mean?” is a very different post than:
I can’t believe that people are up in arms because a snarky post got snarky replies.
If AHunter had respectfully asked what AGI was, I probably wouldn’t have bothered to answer him, but I wouldn’t have a problem with it.
Fair enough. He does get bent out of shape about acronyms, which is an overreaction in the other direction. That being said, I’ve pretty much given up googling acronyms. I suppose if you are often right, it might be fun. If you are just confused, it’s honestly pretty frustrating and annoying. And reminds me of the enshittification of the Internet. So I’ll scan the thread, or ask, it just move on. I’m probably not going to Google it. I Google unfamiliar words all the time. But I’ve mostly given up googling acronyms.
One issue with googling acronyms is that they are often specific to the thread. They might be the initials of a person who posted earlier. Or a person who was referenced. Or some other random thing that was discussed. In another forum, someone routinely says, “stbx”, which i always read as “Starbucks” but it’s “soon to be x”. This particular time, sure, it works. Maybe if you are generally good at acronyms, the ones you don’t get can be googled. If you are bad at acronyms, you learn that Google is a bad tool for translating acronyms.
Well, I’m instituting a rule (unfortunately, I can only enforce it when I do it)…
• Explain an acronym the first time you use it
• If you encounter an acronym you don’t know, google it first
(adding the subject as a search term)
• Try reading the thread without knowing what it means
(do you really need to know it to follow the discussion?)
• Only after all that: ask politely
(and succinctly. I’ll bet no one needs to hear about all the hoops that were jumped through… “I thought it might mean Where The Figs?, so I called my friend Free-Wheelin’ Frankie the Fig Farmer…”)
• Still confused? Know when to give up. Chances are, there’s another good Pit thread to get lost in…
Google is generally not as fast as this board on “identify this rock/insect/plant” questions, I think. Those searches tend to offer too much choice and need a SME to cut through the possibilities.
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ETA: Although, I am legitimately triggered by your decision to say a SME instead of an SME. S is not a vowel but when you sound it out it’s Ess-emm-ee not Smee.
I don’t sound it out. I pronounce the words the letters are placeholders for, in that particular abbreviation, every time. Mostly because an SME is also something used in my work, for something else entirely.
Alas, if you pronounce the letterism correctly, it starts with a consonant sound, because the correct pronunciation is “Smee”, as in Captain Hook’s first mate, because he was apparently the only subject matter expert aboard in the skills of actually running the Jolly Roger.
Adding a more on-point comment: when you ask a Factual Question, you aren’t really allowed to drive out other posters who may not have an answer but still have a legitimate right to participate, even if for the purposes of learning. It’s not just your ignorance we’re fighting here, and it’s not your thread.
I thought we were here to fight ignorance, not have casual conversations. My favorite head-rush is stumbling across some new thing to learn about, and I hope and trust I can pay that forward, even when it takes longer than I thought it would.
