Monstro, how do you know what most people think? And what would lead you to be more negative than most people?
I’m not more negative than most people.
And I don’t know what most people think.
Nothing I’ve said should lead you to even ask these ridiculous questions.
No, sorry, that’s not at all what I was doing. That’s what you were saying I was doing, but that’s not what was happening. Lama Pocos said that if slaves were paid for their work, their descendants would be in a different situation now. You disagreed, saying that factory workers weren’t able to leave their kids much. I think it’s safe to say, however, the factory workers are able to leave their kids more than slaves left their children, because factory workers do have assets, whereas slaves had none, not even ownership over their own person. If we can agree on that point, then the conversation can reasonably said to be over.
I think she was responding to this line of yours: “You don’t know what I’ve seen and heard living here. This state is more backwards-looking and backwards-behaving than* most people think*.” That kind of implies that you are purporting some insight into what most people think.
Oooh, shoot me for making a generalization. I know, from my personal experience, that when people think of VA, they tend to think of NoVA. I certainly did before moving here. But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe people who’ve never lived in the state (which would be most people) have a good idea what it’s like living here.
And as far as purporting to know what Zoe knows about what I’ve seen, you’d have to ask her how it is she knows my experience is so wrong.
The things she accuses me of, she is just as guilty of. Claiming the South isn’t as bad as people assume it is is just as presumptious as what I said. And I’m not even saying the South is bad, just that I have constant reminders that people look fondly on a past that should be forgotten. Yet it only seems black people are accused of looking backwards and playing the victim.
People who defend the South’s role in the CW, IMHO, are playing the victim too. Just in a different way.
Easy there, turbo. You made a claim that her issue with your response to something else was ridiculous. I merely quoted to you your own words which render her post not at all ridiculous. You said that you have never said such a thing despite the evidence to the contrary. My issue isn’t with your making a generalization; it’s with you denying that you did up until the moment someone quoted to you your own words.
I’m not here to argue the relative merits of your views versus her views (at least not at the moment). But the “she does it too” is a non-starter. Whether or not she also does it has nothing to do with whether or you have done it, and then denied doing so. She asked a question about something you actually have said, and instead of answering the question, you deny having said what you plainly did.
One would think that an “oops, so I did” would be in order.
ashman, what you don’t realize is that you are stepping into a situation wherein Zoe is holding an old grudge against monstro for some conversation that didn’t go her way years ago. She’s dragging that crap into this thread on the thinnest of pretenses to give monstro a hard time. Seriously, best not to get involved.
monstro, don’t worry. It’s not you, it’s her.
I understand there’s friction there. But why would he give her the kindling, matches and lighter fluid to easily roast him by making a claim, and then immediately following that to deny he’d done it in the first place?
If he really wants to best her, surely saying something and then claiming to not have said it isn’t a great technique.
I guess I don’t see their exchange in the extreme light that you do. Also, knowing the context, I know that one does tend to get so very fucking aggravated by the petty needling and grudgeholding and martyr complex, which leads to replies that are more heated than seem warranted. Like I said, best to just stay out of it IMO, but do what thou wilt.
monstro is a she, btw.
Check your PM, please.
Rubystreak, I have carried no grudge against Monstro. You are lying. No where except in this thread have I ever spoken to her in anger. Once again, you are trying to stir up trouble. Why not take the very advice that you so eagerly give to ashman165? Well, that’s not like you to “stay out of it.”
So I am asking you, Rubystreak to CITE where I have shown a grudge against Monstro beginning “years back.” Put up or shut up! Show me where I expressed any anger or ill will toward Monstro prior to this thread.
My friendship with her began with the gift of a book to help her find strength within herself. I can easily look and find the date that the book was sent. And we have had nothing but pleasant exchanges in Private Mail.
Essentially you are claiming that you have the power to read minds: I’m not buying it.
Monstro, you cannot know from your own experiences what other people think of when they think of Virginia. You have met a lot of people, but you haven’t met five or six billion yet. Stop making claims that you can’t possibly, rationally live up to. The truth is that you don’t know what other people think of when they think of Virginia. Neither do I. No one does. No one has learned to read minds yet.
Maybe some of them are. I don’t often run into people who defend the South’s role, but it would depend on the individual and what he or she had to say as to whether or not that person is playing the victim.
You won’t hear me defend the South’s role.
I don’t think you know what that word means.
If you want your discussions with monstro to be private, use PM. Otherwise, if you dredge them up in a thread that everyone can read, well, then everyone can comment on them. That’s how the Pit works, and if you don’t like it, maybe the Pit is not the place for you, eh? You and monstro had it out in the “one drop of blood” multithread fiasco, as you well know. You couldn’t leave it alone then, and you still can’t. You have a tendency to needle people who cross you, and bring shit up with them in unrelated threads. That’s exactly what you’re doing here.
I’m hearing the Looney Toons theme playing as a read this. I don’t think “grudge” means what you think it means either. You have unresolved issues with her and you can’t stop bringing them up. It’s one of your hallmarks, the inability to let things go. I think it’s all fresh enough in everyone’s memory. Now, the person who needs to put up or shut up is you. If you don’t have a problem with monstro, why hijack this thread with your personal issues?
“Inconceivable!”
You know what? Zoe is right. I’m just going to walk away from this and let her enact her particular brand of relentless crazy here if that’s what she wants. monstro is a big girl, she can handle it, though she shouldn’t feel like she has to. Everyone can see it for what it is, anyway.
“Inconceivable!”
Actually, the grudge started when she started playing “let’s uncover a fraud!” with you, Rubystreak. We had actually moved beyond the one-drop blood stuff, however horrid that was, but because I didn’t defend her behavior when she started attacking you (I hope it was you. My memory is poor right now), she’s been treating me as an enemy or something.
If we keep at it, she’ll probably accuse me of being a liar too. The only thing I can come up with is that Zoe has been lied to a lot in the past. When she thinks you’re lock-and-step with her assumptions about you, you’re A-OK. But the moment you show that you are nuanced and that you don’t support whatever she says unconditionally and that you can actually be angered by her actions (like I was when she questioned your teaching credentials…after I became aware that she’d done it before to others), then suddenly it’s attack-mode.
Well, I don’t want to battle anymore either. Not because I necessarily care for her feelings right now, but because I don’t think it’s healthy for either of us to nitpick each other’s posts to death.
I tried to, but fucking George Carter took away my pistol.
Notice that neither Monstro nor Rubstreak has been able to cite one word that I have said to Monstro that has been critical of her. To the contrary, when Monstro was critical of me because she misunderstood the meaning of what I was saying, I did not criticize her for it. Her own twin sister later admitted that she knew the meaning of what I had been saying and just let the game of needling me go on. (That is a paraphrase of what You With the Face said.) Monstro apparently thinks that you really can detect a drop of “black blood” in a person through scientific means. Either that, or she was also pretending to be dumb just to take offense.
Nevertheless, where are the words that criticized you, Monstro? There were plenty that criticized me. Didn’t you even notice that I didn’t dish it back to you? Or are you really going to claim that these false accusations are just a problem that you are having with your memory?
And when you participated in the Pit of me, did I respond to you? Was I defensive in any way? No.
And a certain Mod is going to find it interesting that the issue of Rubystreak’s credentials has been brought up again. She or he was forewarned hours ago that the subject was about to come up. And I certainly didn’t bring it up again. That makes it rather obvious who does the stalking on that subject. Did you just happen to bring that topic up all by yourself? I think not.
The first time that topic was introduced, you didn’t protest at all. You and I were getting along just fine.
You are being used, Montro. There is no strength or self-esteem that will come to you when you are someone’s puppet. I hope your sister is reading and can put some other things aside. You need some serious help. Some of your sentences are incoherent and others are irrational as ashman165 pointed out. You seem to say whatever arguement comes to your mind whether it is logical or not. You contradict yourself from sentence to sentence and thread to thread. Your personality has changed considerably. You see hatred where there is none. You are not the young woman who celebrated with me in January. I hope that your sister can do something to help.
The rest of this with Rubystreak trying to interfere while telling someone else to stay out of it is very high schoolish. Cen’t you see that? And she left after a big lie. Are you going to do the same?
Jesus H. Christ, the problem with crazy is that it never gets bored.
Oh, I haven’t left, dear. Poor ashman was getting in the middle of something he didn’t understand, and I thought he should be warned not to stick his hand in the crazy. I considered it a public service. Then, I decided to take my own advice, because you are crazy, and not worth engaging with, because it’s futile and only eggs you on. monstro and I obviously concur on your treatment of her, so no, I wasn’t lying, but I don’t have to defend myself against slurs from you. You have no credibility. You’re not doing yourself any favors, but I’m really done playing around with you in this particular thread. Have at it, since I know you can’t help yourself.