Why does it have to be through taxes? Why not by creating jobs and adding to the country’s pool of resources?
There is no doubt that a successful business starts and sometimes succeed due to the efforts of the individual. There is also no doubt that there has to be an environmnet for that business to exist in. It helps if there are police to keep your assets from being stolen. It helps is there is a way to transport items. It helps if there is a court system to protect intellectual property. It helps if there are other companies that pay employees so you can have customers.
Obama’s quote recognized the individual, it also recognized the reality that a society does better oveall than a person on their own. If you don’t believe, try to open a business where no one else lives.
Well, it seems to me that ending all spending on the War on Drugs would be a wonderful way to save some tax money for whoever needs it. I quit a long time ago, but still find it one of the biggest wastes of tax dollars on all levels. Not to mention the personal freedom issue and the effect on poor areas.
In any case, I worked both before and after my pregnancy. I was off work from about my fifth month until my daughter was about a year old to attend college. I only did three semesters because I could see the effect taking out $40k in loans would have on my adult life.
You are doing that. Obama congratulated you for doing that. You are apparently being personally rewarded with lots and lots of money (I’m assuming that you are in the top 2% of income earners that the very modest tax hikes are intended for) for your amazing story of your own personal courage, intelligence, acumen, diligence, good humor, ingenuity, deftness, perseverance, resilience, and all those other qualities that are making you an American role model.
However, all that doesn’t pay Uncle Sam’s bills. If you make $300,000, then Obama is basically proposing that you pay another $1,500 per year in taxes more than you paying today. That’s it. And that relatively modest amount will help stave off impending cuts to services we all like, such as FBI special agents, CDC scientists, keeping National Parks open and running, and making sure bridges don’t collapse.
Does Obama have a list of cuts as well? Like the War on Drugs, defense spending, corporate subsidies, etc?
Until I see some of that, I will continue to bulk on tax increases. Even if I don’t have to pay them. I get a vote too, and it doesn’t seem like he’s listening to those of us arguing for real changes. We’re just ignored, while Dems and Pubs steal all the air in the room.
Are you okay with continuing to fund those things while taxes go up for the things you like? Why not demand both?
To add to Ravenman’s comment, that is if you make $300K in PROFIT if you are a business, not gross revenue. If you hire someone, their salary comes out of that before your taxes are calculated so the “less money to hire” is not valid.
Yes. Nearly half a trillion dollars in planned increases to the defense budget have been eliminated. Domestic programs, ranging from NASA to the EPA, are taking cuts of the same amount. Link.
And discussions on cutting the deficit from last summer basically broke down because Obama proposed $1 of tax increases for every $4 (or more) of spending cuts. If you think that the conversation is only about tax increases, that perception is simply in error.
What a crock of doublespeak. Of course you need people! Why the fuck would you even brink that up? Oh, for all the people about about to open business on polar ice flows? You also need water, air, and things to eat. Oh, and you need to be protected from people robbing you, and since the government does that you owe them credit. Never mind that 1) you pay for the government to do that and 2) if there was not a government in place you’d be free to shoot whoever the fuck tried to rob you. Or hire your own security and have them do it.
So, in the spirit of being “fair”(?), “helpful”(?), or God know’s what, you seek to employ some three-card monty sleight-of-hand and take some of the credit away from the individual. It’s like taking a successful ski racer and giving credit to the mountain, gravity, or snow. Or saying that michael Phelps should be sharing his success with the properties of water.
THAT is the opposite of helpful. We should be sending the message that business are started and made successful by individuals. (But dint of will, sheer effort, and intelligence. Yeah, a little luck never hurts either.) THIS is the attitude that encourages people to create business, which then create jobs. THIS is the attitude that says to a young man or woman who might not have had every advantage, “I can do that. I have a good idea. I’m going to work as hard as possible to make it happen.” THAT is how success stories start. The narrative I’ve heard from the far left that, "Well, duh, you didn’t do it alone…it took infrastructure stuff, and other people to be customers (:roll eyes:), is not only unhelpful, but anti-helpful. I don’t know about your motivations, but Obama’a is to paint some contorted picture of the world so he can fool people into thinking..“Duh, I guess Obama’s right…it does take other people, and roads and stuff…and if we (or, likely, someone else) paid more in taxes we’d have more business…duh…dribble…duh…”
This narrative should be slapped down like a pedophile’s hand offering a child a lollipop whenever it rears it’s ugly statist head. It makes dreams foolish. And It demeans initiative and hard work that makes them come true.
Cool it, magellan01. From the sarcasm and profanity to the “duh…dribble…duh…” crack and that inflammatory pedohpile comparison, that’s more of a Pit post than a debate forum post.
Is there a new rule against profanity?
No.
When you have a thread discussing a speech that includes the line:
and someone thinks that means
it is clear that the obvious needs to be stated.
I can see that. If anything it did come off a little to strongly as being directed tim-n-va specifically. That really wasn’t my intent, so I apologize for that. And for the sloppy typing. Yeesh!
But the narrative does gets my blood boiling. I find it truly offensive to anyone who has ever taken the initiative to make anything happen. It robs people of the notion that they can alter their circumstance is life in great ways. That they have the power to do so. Our government should be sending the opposite message. Leave the statist double-speak that looks to people as proles or drones to guys like this.
I could make a lot of money if everyone were as dumb as a rah rah Republican. Too bad theres so many people already taking advantage of them…
(I feel the same about duh duh Democrats but it has more kick if I just say one or the other.)
There’s no “v” in “statist doublespeak”.
Only if you swallow the false narrative being peddled by Rush/Hannity. It has nothing to do with the progressive message from the Obama campaign.
:rolleyes:
I’m not talking about an interpretation by either of them. In fact, I never listen to Rush and rarely to Hannity. I have no ides what they say, nor do I care.
No, Obama revealed his heart, not that it was any surprised. The bits he choked out about the person doing the work were there just to sugar coat that statism he so loves. Face it, he is a socialist at heart. At least Bernie Sanders has the balls to own his ideology. Not Barry Sotero. He’s too smart for that. His goal is to “spread the wealth”, but he knows he can go only so far given the system we have. But make no mistake, that is his vision for America. The same one shared by his Marxist father and friends like Bill Ayers and that Billy Dee William wanna be/America-hater, Jeremiah Wright. Hopefully he tipped his hand enough that the Independents sitting on the fence will notice.
No, really. You could look it up!
You forgot Saul Alinsky.