"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

*Good point.
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Not to mention, Saul Alinsky!!!

*Thank you. You have contributed to the side of light and right. *

This was a thread about a speech. Now it is about assumed/imagined motives behind the speech. Based on how well my motives were interpreted - statist - I know that there is no talent for mind reading on display.

You forgot Tony Rezko.

Heavens, people are trying to parse the meaning of what a politician said! :eek: Say it isn’t so!! :eek::eek:

Look. I apologized if it came across that I was attacking you, specifically. And I meant it. But if you agree with the bullshit Obama spewed you’re agreeing with statist doublespeak. Like I said, the next time Michael Phelps wins a medal you(pl) might as well as well give a medal to water, as well, for you know, being watery.

To be fair, he forgets a lot of things.

Yeah, but now I have you to help me. :cool:

But thank you again for bringing up two associations that if the press would have done its job and reported on back in 2008—with half the vigor that they’re looking at Romney running Bain while he was very visibly running the Olympics—we might not have been stuck with a socialist in the White House.

Vigilance. Constant vigilance…

Not the water, but I’m sure the guy who built the pool got paid for his trouble.

Just keep mentioning Barry Sotero/Bill Ayers/Jeremiah Wright/Saul Alinsky/Tony Rezko in the same sentence, and independent voters will give your argument all the attention it deserves.

Don’t forget Barrack Hussein Obama. I’d say it’s good for 2 or 3 anti-Dem votes every time it’s uttered.

And…?

I’m sure you would.

I think there’s a legitimate reason Sateryn76 is feeling scorn.

Better look to the Republicans for this.

Someone built the playing arena that Michael Phelps competes in.

Someone creates the rules of the competition. Someone enforces those rules. Someone trains the judges. I have huge respect for what Michael Phelps can do, but there’s a little more behind his success than just hard work and water.

Here.

You’da thunk the sixteenth amendment would have cleared things up for the Constitutionalists, wouldn’t you? But there’s some problem with Ohio or gold fringes or something…

Sure, they’re working harder than other people. Are they working 380 times as hard as others? Is their work 380 times as valuable than the average Americans? Are they worth more to America than 300 soldiers? Would a moderately informed American perform a CEO’s job 100 times worse than a CEO?

Why is the unemployment rate in Norway under half that of the USs when it has higher tax rates and lower income inequality, if low tax rates stimulate job creation?

Oh, it forms the crux of the matter. Well, in the aggregate that is. If income is an accurate assessment of worth to the country, then it’d be immoral to require businesspeople to pay tax. Instead, they should be able to hire mercenaries as they see fit. If the majority of people adhere to the labour theory of value, then that’s an entirely different scenario.

Public expenditure on semi-productive labour? I like the idea.

Here are a few polls which show fundamental ignorance in that field. In some cases, systemically enforced ignorance. The US rate pregnancy of 75/1000 teen girls is unprecedented. Even among white teen girls, there is a rate of 26/1000 or so, higher than the UK (which has the highest rates in Western Europe). Sweden and Denmark both have rates at about 7/1000.

Funny. Mises claims people won’t compete for non-pecuniary rewards are insufficient incentives to competition. Prestige just doesn’t cut it. Likewise, he rails against Locke for claiming that land doesn’t have inherent value, only human intervention creates value. You seem to be adhering to the notion that the fixed assets do not convey value, the value inheres in the action.

Actually, he’d probably ask you instead to donate to his foundation, which he started to teach water safety and promote active and healthy lifestyle opportunities. Phelps states that he got his first taste of swimming at a water safety class - so now he’s designed similar classes for his foundation to provide, as a way of giving back.

Phelps had this to say about starting his foundation:

Phelps is also an ambassador to the Special Olympics. His water safety program, called IM, has been adapted for children with disabilities as well.

Another of the Phelps Foundation’s programs is the Level Field Fund - Swimming. LFF provides financial support to young athletes so that they can afford to have access to the best coaches and events. The Level Field Fund -Swimming program is a grant from the Michael Phelps Foundation for young swimmers in need. Here’s what Michael has to say about that:
http://www.michaelphelpsfoundation.org/levelfieldfundswimming.php

In short: if you told Michael Phelps that acknowledging all the many people who contribute to an Olympic athlete’s success would somehow diminish his achievements, he would laugh so hard they’d have to drain the pool.

ETA - the Level Field Fund can be found here: http://www.levelfieldfund.org/about

Forgot to mention: this is bizarre. A soldier has no choice as to where they’re deployed, as far as I’m aware. They sign up, knowing they’re at risk of dying and deliberately put themselves into dangerous situations. Their heroism is independent of the overall judiciousness of the cause they’re serving.

I agree with you that a large part of the problem is kids who don’t believe that anything better is available to them. I’d be interested in your views on what might help in this area. Do you see any role for government? If you think the solution must come from the private sector, how would you push for that to happen? How did you make the transition from a pot-smoking single mother to a successful business owner? Can your own experience be translated into programs that can help others do the same?

I’m really not trying to make any points here. If you have ideas, I’d love to hear them.

Here’s Romney criticizing Obama’s position on this:

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12830947-romney-echoes-obama-line-on-public-institutions

Yeah, uh, that’s a devastating smack down of what Obama said, or something.

That is just evidence of how much Romney loves America!

OMG! It’s the smoking gun! Shodan is Ann Romney!