So you can insult people by calling them hivemind groupthink, but when called on it, you refuse to defend your words. Cool, at least your honest about your cowardice.
And yet you continue to use these inflammatory terms to insult your opponents while you know them not to be accurate. What do you think that makes you?
So everyone that doesn’t think like you is blinded by partisanship and Obama is dumb. Ok, cool. Does that sum up your arguments here? If so, then we all hear you and you can let it go now, since, you know, you want to keep the scope of your contributions here small and all. I assume this means your done here right? Since we’ve discussed the only point you want to discuss.
I’ve already explained to you why nothing I wrote was “made up”. You are the one calling me a liar with no basis to the accusation. You should be apologizing to me, but I don’t make it a habit of demanding apologies from my opponents when I’m losing an argument.
Fuck me, this thread is still here? You’re now hinging on whether one or the other was glorifying the concept?
Holy shit.
I’m a small business. We (Mrs. Devil and I are partners) have been hiring and using an array of subcontractors during the past few years, and have grown our business during a horrid economic climate. Long, long hours in the office, often sleeping two to four hours a night for a few weeks on to shepherd projects through. Backbreaking effort that is still going on.
I can crow about our achievements and beam with pride at the dividends our sweat equity is paying. Every word, every project, every deal, every sacrifice we’ve made is coming back to us many times over as clients and institutions have come to rely on our services. It’s our reputation, one that we built.
But because I’m not a political hack, I can simultaneously exalt and glorify those people and institutions that made this possible. Whether it’s the specific teachers, guidance counselors or financial aid workers who helped make it possible for a high school dropout to get an Ivy League education or Tim Berners-Lee (et al) who made it possible for us to run our business out of our home or holy shit the list goes on.
No longer a high school sophomore obsessed with Ayn Rand, I can easily recognize that however grand my–or anyone else’s–accomplishments are, they wouldn’t have been possible without an army of public and private institutions and people. Fuck yeah these people should be glorified, and if it’s a matter of recognizing that a portion of my income should go to society so my Dudeling and his Dudelings will have equal opportunities to maximize their potential, so be it. Doing so doesn’t detract from our accomplishments, and doesn’t mean we’re some bastardized and politically expedient version of socialist.
Nope. This is yet another instance of you making things up and attributing them to me. I’ve said repeatedly that Obama’s statement was foolish. I haven’t said he is. In fact, I think he’s quite intelligent.
It’s really a compulsive behavior on your part, isn’t it? You have these ideas in your head, and just need to apply them to me, even though I haven’t said them. You should try not to do it, but I doubt you can help yourself.
No. I think I’ll decide for myself when I want to stop posting in this thread, thanks. Also, I’ll go ahead and decide for myself what I want to post about.
You just can’t take responsibility for the things you say can you? You’re like the guy from Memento, you seemingly have no recollection of the things you’ve previously written, so anytime someone refers to what you’ve said you accuse them of making things up because you can’t seem to remember saying it.
Are you saying that you didn’t use the word ‘dumb’ now too? Jesus you are something else. Don’t say things that you don’t want to defend then. Its like you’re just running around here throwing shit everywhere and then when someone says, “hey, this is shit”, you’re like “stop making things up about me, I don’t want to discuss what I said!”.
That’s great, please go ahead and continue making a fool of yourself. You are the one that said you were keeping the scope of your contributions to this thread small. I was just asking if you plan on following through with that. By the way, do you think anyone here has been convinced of anything by what you’ve been saying? Can you think of one poster that has come even slightly more to your side over this entire thread? What do you really think you’re accomplishing here?
I recognize you are only adding text from Romney’s speech, but please don’t alter text inside the quote boxes. It makes it look like you are attributing things to Shayna that she did not say. Next time please just quote from the speech and attribute it to the politician.
So your position is that he himself is quite intelligent, but his statement was dumb. But if he is intelligent, why would be believe a dumb thing? Wouldn’t believing a dumb thing make him dumb? Don’t you think its more likely that you are just adding the dumb part in with your intentional misinterpretation of what he said? Where is the dumbness coming from if he himself is intelligent? You are again contradicting yourself.
I never told you to leave. I simply asked you if you were done based on how you described your intentions regarding this thread. Those are different statements you know. But I guess misinterpretation of statements is something you seem to have a lot of trouble with, so I won’t hold it against you.
Congratulations! You’ve successfully understood, and I only had to tell you three times using third grade reading levels.
This is really going to blow your mind, but here goes: It’s possible for someone to be intelligent, but also be wrong about something. It’s also possible for two people to disagree about something and both be intelligent. It’s possible for an intelligent person to say something dumb from time to time.
It’s a lot to process, so take some time for that all to sink in.
Debaser and Airbeck, both of you need to eliminate all personal commentary from your posts to this thread starting now. Attack the arguments, but not the poster.
You are the true god damned representative of the American dream. Fuck yeah.
Reading a thread like this depresses the everloving crap out of me - but then I realise that there is actually some sensible and intelligent people around.
Ah, but wrong and dumb are two different things. Are you still saying that his statement was dumb, or are you now saying it was just wrong? These words don’t mean the same thing.
Except for those who disagree with you in this thread, since you’ve repeatedly and consistently asserted that we are all in a hivemind and suffer from overwhelming groupthink, so we’re incapable of thinking for ourselves, right? Aside from this situation intelligent people can disagree, right? Isn’t that what you mean?
I can’t debate someone that won’t stand by the things that they say. Not outside of the pit anyway. I won’t continue in a conversation like this. I can’t attack your points if you don’t take responsibility for them or defend them.
I’m not allowed to attack you directly, and you won’t defend your own words, so what’s the point of this conversation?
You have yet to cite one instance of me making anything up. I’ve explained very clearly how the one you tried to cite was not anything that I made up and that it directly followed from your own statements. If you want to keep insinuating that I’m a liar, I’d suggest that you follow Marley23’s advice and take it out of this thread and to the pit.
I’m done with trying to debate someone that won’t even take responsibility for their own posts.
I’ve called you on it every time you’ve done it, which has been in nearly every post. You’ve done it posts 533, 528, and 521. That’s just on this page.
This is false. I do not have to use only words that you have previously used in your posts to reply to you. If you have an issue with how someone sums up your arguments, then explain why they are wrong. Constantly insinuating that they are lying is not cool and is not a productive way to debate someone.
I am done with this conversation. It is going nowhere. You may have the last word if you wish, but do not interpret that as winning anything please. I’ve just run out of patience for this nonsense.
Last chance for both of you. You can explain why another poster has misunderstood your post or why a summary of your views is inaccurate, but don’t accuse other posters of making things up and don’t junior moderate. Your personal disagreements with each other belong in the Pit, not this forum.