I haven’t said you do.
I don’t object to differing opinions, or honest attempts to paraphrase another’s argument. But, you’ve repeatedly made up statements that bear little to no resemblance to what I’ve posted, despite my requests to stop.
It’s real. You are actually doing it. Go back and read the posts. It’s there for you to see. You might learn from it.
Marley23:
I’ve disengaged with him now. I won’t be replying to him in this thread again.
Apologies again for my part in this unproductive thread tangent. Consider it over as far as I’m concerned.
Do you have a number in mind?
“The individual is nothing; the collective is everything.”
Karl Marx OR Barrack Obama OR The Borg Queen. Take your pick; they’re pretty much interchangeable.
Standing Ovation!
And in spite of saying the exact same thing, Mitt Romney is inexplicably excluded from your list. Interesting.
Funny, when I do a Google search for that quote it comes up almost exclusively on Conservative websites.
I was thinking of feeling bad for the President given that he was taken out of context, but then I remembered how he used “The fundamentals of the economy are strong” against John McCain. Again and again and again.
So I figure it’s karma.
Fuck me. Agreed. That this stupid conversation over an intentional misunderstanding is still ongoing is a sad commentary on the disfunctionality of our discourse.
Well, the President wanted to make the election about unimportant crap, so now Romney’s obliging him.
When the President wants to talk about the issues that matter, like an economic program, the deficit, etc., then I’m sure Romney will be willing to have that debate.
Please show me where the President said he “wanted to make the election about unimportant crap.” I am unaware of this policy position.
However, regarding his economic program, etc., I would like to direct you to this website. The President lays out his positions on various issues right there. I’m not saying that anyone has to agree with him, but his positions are right there. How do you justify a suggestion like “When the President wants to talk about the issues that matter…”?
If you’re going to drop a snarky little jab, you should limit yourself to once a page. When you do it twice in three posts, it just comes across as pathetic.
You’ve said this several times. What do you mean by “givens”? Given by whom? Given how? I don’t understand what this “glorifying them…acknowledging them as ‘givens’” means, and I would like to better understand your point, even if I may not agree with it.
Well, that’s one way, sure. However, not only would we not be paying for those needed resources, but we would also not be receiving those needed resources. Then what? I would be disappointed if there was not a road between my house and my job.
What’s stopping Romney from talking about those things right now?
You’re being way too literal.
THe President didn’t SAY he wanted to campaign on unimportant crap, he just did. He’d rather talk about what Mitt Romney did at Bain Capital than about what he did as President.
As for his economic plan, it’s on his website, but it’s not something he talks much about to the public. Mitt Romney’s plan is far more detailed, and I’m sure he’d love to talk about it vs. the President’s plan if the President wants to have that debate. I suspect the President would rather continue to debate trivialities though.
The debate is about whatever the candidates and the media want to talk about at any given time. The President ditched his teleprompter, said something he really shouldn’t have, so right now the election is about that. And will be until someone changes the subject. Hopefully one of these guys will change the subject to something substantive, or the media will do its job and shift the conversation to their economic plans, but I’m not counting on that happenined due to the shallowness of the two candidates and the mainstream media. Chances are, we’ll be talking about Mormonism soon, followed by new revelations about the President’s childhood.
Well of course the President was talking about economic policy, and why he wanted to raise taxes,. the importance of taxes and how they are used. So not only was the jab “snarky”, I would also have to question what he was reading into it, and what he considers worthy of debate.
I would also bet that el prezidente would be quite happy to compare his record as president, what he has achieved and done and focus on this rather than what Romney didn’t do at Bain.
He’s outspent Romney 4-1 the last couple of months. He’s had every opportunity to talk about what he wants to talk about. He could talk about health care, the stimulus, foreign policy, the deficit, taxes, anything. he chose to spend it talking about Bain.
At least what we’re talking about now addresses the philosophical differences between the parties. This is a debate we should be having. Not over his exact comments, which were not very articulate, but the general idea. What makes people successful? Individual initiative, or the government? Let’s ask immigrants from oppressive countries why the bridges and roads didn’t make them rich back home, but they do well over here. Let’s ask them what the difference is between say, the US and the old Soviet Union? Was it bridges and schools and hospitals? Or was it individual liberty?
And what’s stopping Romney from changing the subject?
What makes Bain unimportant? Romney claims that his best qualification for President is his experience at Bain. He has claimed to have burnished his business acumen there and that he will apply the lessons learned to the office of the President. Obama and others have brought up questions about that experience. If Romney claims to bring his business skills to the job, then it is reasonable to inquire about those skills. If you were in an ordinary job interview and claimed that experience at a previous employer qualified you for the job being sought, wouldn’t you expect a few questions about that experience? If your previous employer had done some really crappy stuff while you were (at least on paper) running the place, wouldn’t it be reasonable for your prospective employer to ask about that? It seems to me that it would be irresponsible to ignore issues about Romney’s experience at Bain when he is claiming that that very experience is his most important quality.
As far as his economic plan, take a gander at the title of this very thread. Wasn’t Obama talking about his economic plan when he made the statement that the OP placed in discussion? Just because you don’t like his plan doesn’t mean he wasn’t talking about it.