Secular Muslims where the hijab, you racist prick.
That is the whole point of these things, to fight the ignorance of the shitheads like you.
People like you are part of the problem, not the solution. You only make things worse.
I’m going to assume you will say the Hijab is not oppressive to women.
No, you are. This Muslim girl goes to this school. She has as much right to share about her culture as anyone else. If multiculturalism just means “cultures I accept” then it isn’t multiculturalism. If it means removing religion, which is almost always the most significant portion of a culture, it’s just a monoculture, where you’ve made religion into a more.
Schools are about learning, and part of what you learn is how to be a good citizen. You don’t just memorize facts in school. You learn how to interact with the world. And part of that means learning about cultures other than your own, those you may even significantly disagree with.
Learning about other cultures is pretty much THE solution to bigotry against those cultures. It is lack of knowledge that lets you pretend that people who do X are evil. Of course, some people are intentionally ignorant, but that’s why you have to start early.
It is lack of education that has you equate the hijab with a purely religious issue, and one exclusively about subjugating women. As I pointed out to Steophan, secular Muslims often wear the hijab. It’s a symbol of cultural oppression of women to you, not necessarily so to them.
Considering these women are going up in front of a school to talk about why they wear the hijab, it seems a lot like it is their choice, does it not? Now, maybe they’ll go up there and talk about how men are lustful creatures and they wear the hijab to defend themselves. But I bet they won’t, because that is not the reason I’ve ever heard anyone give for wearing one. This isn’t the burqa or the nijab. This is their hair being covered, not their face or body.
And, even if they do, so what? Now you actually know that they do so for a reason you find offensive. How are you worse off? It’s not as if the students are allowed to proselytize. They are, in fact, spreading knowledge about their culture.
And spreading knowledge is how we learn, and learning is what school is about.
There are actually plenty of Muslim women who say so, and apparently not just the conservative ones either.
I mean, perhaps it was started as a tool of oppression (I don’t know either way), but that doesn’t mean it has to remain that way, does it?
so you’d be ok with catholics coming into a public school and explaning the need for confession and/or communion?
any practice which sets women apart from men is going to be oppressive because it creates categories
Your ignorance needs fighting, you misogynistic fucktard. I don’t care whether it’s the religion or the secular culture that’s oppressive to women, it needs to be opposed not celebrated.
The individual may want to wear the hijab for personal reasons, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a potent symbol of oppression, and something that should not be supported. Note that I’ve not called for it to be banned (although I wouldn’t necessarily oppose such a call, there’s some justification for banning excessively offensive clothing, but it would have to be done in a way that doesn’t single out Muslims, or women), just that it should not be celebrated.
Not all cultures are equal, and not all are worthy of celebration.
Congratulations on another failed attempt to shut down debate by calling your opponent racist. That’s idiotic for two reasons. Firstly, it’s false, and secondly, it has no bearing on whether or not my argument is valid.
I’d be just as okay as I would be explaining the significance of the hijab. That is to say, I wouldn’t be actively for it or against it, but it sure beats (let me find a Catholic analogy here), say, protesting against teaching about confession by screaming that Catholics are not real Christians but are idolaters who worship Satan, and telling “real” Christians to pull out their children from the school in protest.
No, it does not. The hijab as an article of clothing certainly could outlive its origins, but I think that would require the rejection of its cultural significance.
Exactly. Muslim women in the West wearing the hijab or other coverings, and claiming it’s a symbol of personal freedom, rings rather hollow when women elsewhere are forced, due to the same religion and culture, to wear the burqa on pain of death.
I’m not saying ban it. I’m saying that the individuals who wear it through choice should think again, and that they should be horrified by what it represents, and embarrassed to wear it. It’s not about personal modesty - if it were, the style of the covering wouldn’t matter.
Public school is not supposed to be the place for religious platform
I didn’t see anything about it being a public school. But even so, a general rule is that most situations are different from each other. Is the public well served by dispelling ignorance amongst its students? This is not like an intrusive scenario where students are either told what to believe or forced to study a religion for the whole year.
The ideal situation would be that there would be no confusion in the first place to necessitate talking about the hijab. But it’s certainly better than likening it to a Jihad or otherwise getting all bent out of shape.
i get the sense that trying to reason with you is a waste of time
Thus the economy of reason in your posts so far. I can’t even tell what you’re advocating. Should students not know about any religious practices at all? Then we may as well not teach about the Late Roman Empire or Sepoy Rebellion at all. If on the other hand, we should inform students about religious practices to some extent, where would you draw the line?
You don’t think the Hijab is oppressive, do you?
In general, yes.
Then why does it need to be given a platform?
I guess that’s why the female project manager whose husband is a stay at home dad in a mixed race marriage wears the hijacked while out cycling with me?
Freudian slip? :eek:
No, a hijab is worn around the head, a slip is worn around the hips.