I'll bet Obama gets reelected

[Fear_Itself]

@Recovering_Republican

Again, any ante that includes tax increases is a fantasy.

Any proposal without revenue increases is DOA. The public has had it with tax loopholes and corporate welfare.

Of course, Obama could play the “Class Warfare” card, like FDR did in 1936.

The GOP has been playing the “Class Warfare” card for over a decade. Guess who is winning?

[CaptMurdock]

@Recovering_Republican

You’re right, you are reading too much into it.

His donors are all the usual suspects- the Union “teachers” (who don’t actually teach anything), big labor, etc.

None of which explains why Romney & the other merry men’s fundraising efforts are tanking.

I don’t think there are that many teachers in the United States – and I doubt they all make that much money.

“Big labor”? Sounds like a sitcom about a maternity ward…

[Chefguy]

@Fear_Itself

Any proposal without revenue increases is DOA. The public has had it with tax loopholes and corporate welfare.The GOP has been playing the “Class Warfare” card for over a decade. Guess who is winning?

Glad to see someone gets the point. Returning to the $2T Republican mark now puts the ball squarely in their court. If they now balk at this amount, it will give Obama even more ammunition to say: Look, we said as long as we’re cutting spending, let’s really cut spending by closing tax loopholes, and the right said ‘no’. Then, in the spirit of compromise, we said okay, then let’s make the deal at your $2T level. And they said ‘no’ again. In other words, they’re not willing to compromise for the good of the country. It’s a brilliant ploy and will play well in the election, which is what this thread is about.

[gonzomax]

Rolling back the Bush tax cuts would be prudent.
Any agreement that does not include tax cuts will not work. Our tax rate is at the lowest level since the 50s. The wealthy are accumulating money at an incredible rate while the middle class and poor are suffering. Any attempt to fix our problems, must address that problem.
The financial pros that tanked the economy have been made whole. It is way past time to prosecute those who committed malfeasance and cheated their investors. The rating agencies walked after helping tank the economy. Investment bankers who invested against the stocks while they were touting them to customers should be exposed.

[Recovering_Republican]

@CaptMurdock

None of which explains why Romney & the other merry men’s fundraising efforts are tanking.

I think most of the big contributors are seeing who has traction and who doesn’t. Why invest a few million in Bachmann if Perry comes in and steals all her voters by being a much saner version?

Romney’s problem is that while he’s beloved by the business faction of the GOP, the rank and file (especially religious and TEA Party conservatives) just haven’t warmed up to him.

[Recovering_Republican]

@gonzomax

Rolling back the Bush tax cuts would be prudent.
Any agreement that does not include tax cuts will not work. Our tax rate is at the lowest level since the 50s. The wealthy are accumulating money at an incredible rate while the middle class and poor are suffering. Any attempt to fix our problems, must address that problem.
The financial pros that tanked the economy have been made whole. It is way past time to prosecute those who committed malfeasance and cheated their investors. The rating agencies walked after helping tank the economy. Investment bankers who invested against the stocks while they were touting them to customers should be exposed.

I agree with you on the point that those who caused this mess on Wall Street need to be prosecuted (preferably by a jury of 12 people who lost their jobs & homes in this mess) and then sent to big boy prison (not “Club Fed”)

Which begs the obvious question. Why hasn’t Eric Holder done this?

And Obama himself has said that tax increases would hurt the recovery further.

(Wait, Obama said this? Why, yes, he did.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/11/white-house-agree-bush-tax-cuts-rich/)

[CaptMurdock]

@Recovering_Republican

I think most of the big contributors are seeing who has traction and who doesn’t.

I think the big contributers are seeing that none of them have “traction.” What you have here is, at best, Empty Suits and, at worst, Raving Lunatics. Who wants to spend a few million on someone who’s going to take a dump at the televised debates?

[Chefguy]

Of course, if one reads the entire article linked above, one sees this:

In response to the earlier story, Axelrod says, “There is not one bit of news here. I simply re-stated what [Obama] and [his press secretary] have been saying. Our two strong principles are that we need to extend the tax cuts for the middle class, but we can’t afford a permanent extension of the tax cuts for the wealthy.”

Also, Obama didn’t say shit, Axelrod did. Otherwise, spot-on.

[Least_Original_User_Name_Ever]

@Chefguy

Whatever Obama’s faults, he and his staff are excellent tacticians. This most recent kerfuffle over raising the debt ceiling is a good example. Boehner and company clamored for $2T in cuts before they’d agree to raising the limit. The Dems fight back. Suddenly, Obama steps in and says “I’ll do better than that: let’s cut $4T, simplify the tax code, and close those loopholes that allow some to pay no taxes at all!”

Close loopholes? The horror! says the right. Why that’s, that’s. . .sputtersputter. . .an increase in taxes! Yeah, that’s it: it’s not reasonable and prudent, it’s a tax increase on our wealthy contributors! Away with you, foul liberal!

“Tax loopholes” has been anathema to the working man since forever. For them to reject a spending cut that is double what they proposed in order to save their rich buddies from having to pay taxes on their income is going to be used to flog their asses bloody in the coming campaign, no matter how they try to spin it. It’s brilliant.

It’s a marathon, not a sprint. When we look back on the body of work, given the climate, I think we’ll be impressed. Well, enough of us, at least.

[Least_Original_User_Name_Ever]

@Recovering_Republican

I think most of the big contributors are seeing who has traction and who doesn’t. Why invest a few million in Bachmann if Perry comes in and steals all her voters by being a much saner version?

Romney’s problem is that while he’s beloved by the business faction of the GOP, the rank and file (especially religious and TEA Party conservatives) just haven’t warmed up to him.

I think most of those big contributors are putting their monies in the Super PACs so the money doesn’t just go to one person, and so it has more flexibility.

[gonzomax]

@Recovering_Republican

I agree with you on the point that those who caused this mess on Wall Street need to be prosecuted (preferably by a jury of 12 people who lost their jobs & homes in this mess) and then sent to big boy prison (not “Club Fed”)

Which begs the obvious question. Why hasn’t Eric Holder done this?

And Obama himself has said that tax increases would hurt the recovery further.

(Wait, Obama said this? Why, yes, he did.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/11/white-house-agree-bush-tax-cuts-rich/)

Does that make it so? We have had 40 years of cutting taxes for the rich and it has demonstrated clearly that the rich do not create jobs. They just pile up money.
Obama is seeking to widen his base. He says things that are stupid like that to placate those who can not follow what has really happened. That does not mean he believes it. That does not mean he is planning on giving the rich even more money and hope they will create a job. they will not.
Demand is what causes companies to hire. So the tax cuts for those shipping jobs overseas should end. Everything the government buys should be made in America. TYax cuts for the wealthy should end. Unemployment should be extended.

[muldoonthief]

Just wanted to congratulate President Obama and Elendil’s Heir, and say my $20 will be in the mail by the weekend.

[Elendil_s_Heir]

Thanks! I’ve got a big smile today, and definitely not just because of the bets.

[BigT]

Wait, did you pay for Bees’ membership, like he asked?

[Elendil_s_Heir]

@BigT

Wait, did you pay for Bees’ membership, like he asked?

I don’t think so. Don’t remember that.

Here’s the President’s acceptance speech, for those who missed it in the wee small hours: http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_rr_7#/video/politics/2012/11/07/election-obama-victory-speech.cnn