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It’s meaningless. I mean half of Jan was under Obama anyway.
But if we see this trend for a couple of years, then yes, it is meaningful.
OTOH, why are we any better off?
I was born here. Mexican Immigrants work the jobs Americans dont want, allowing me cheaper produce.
There is really no downside. They pay taxes. They pay into SocSec and dont take back out.
The only reason to hate them is racism.
I’d like to point out that the title is incorrect. A 67% decline at the southwest border is not a 67% decline overall. In fact, in recent years the number of visa overstays has surpassed the number of people entering the country illegally.
http://jmhs.cmsny.org/index.php/jmhs/article/view/45
Additionally, from 2000 to 2012, arrivals from Mexico fell 80 percent.
In other words, I’d be skeptical of Aguilar’s claims that ICE is responsible for the decrease considering it is part of a longer and more complex trend of people coming to and leaving the USA.
True. Show me a 30 ft wall, and I’ll show you a 31 ft ladder. Smh.
Welcome to the Hotel Trumpamerica
Such a lovely place …
Utterly false.
Maybe most USA citizens won’t garden for $10 an hour, but there is a demand for it. If the illegals left, some USA citizens would do it for $15.00 and hour, and by the time it hit $20.00 an hour you’d have more applicants than jobs.
If you want to read on, you can learn something:
1 )
**Illegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state and local level. **The bulk of the costs — some $84 billion — are absorbed by state and local governments.
The annual outlay that illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers is an average amount per native-headed household of $1,117. The fiscal impact per household varies considerably because the greatest share of the burden falls on state and local taxpayers whose burden depends on the size of the illegal alien population in that locality
Education for the children of illegal aliens constitutes the single largest cost to taxpayers, at an annual price tag of nearly $52 billion. Nearly all of those costs are absorbed by state and local governments.
At the federal level, about one-third of outlays are matched by tax collections from illegal aliens. At the state and local level, an average of less than 5 percent of the public costs associated with illegal immigration is recouped through taxes collected from illegal aliens.
Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes. Among those who do, much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns. Many are also claiming tax credits resulting in payments from the U.S. Treasury.
2 )
The first report found that criminal aliens, both legal and illegal, make up 27 percent of all federal prisoners. Yet non-citizens are only about nine percent of the nation’s adult population. Thus, judging by the numbers in federal prisons alone, non-citizens commit federal crimes at three times the rate of citizens.
The findings in the second report are even more disturbing. It reviewed the criminal histories of 55,322 aliens in federal or state prisons and local jails who “entered the country illegally.” Those illegal aliens were arrested 459,614 times, an average of 8.3 arrests per illegal alien, and committed almost 700,000 criminal offenses, an average of roughly 12.7 offenses per illegal alien.
The 2011 GAO report is more of the same. The criminal histories of 251,000 criminal aliens showed that they had committed close to three million criminal offenses. Sixty-eight percent of those in federal prison and 66 percent of those in state prisons were from Mexico. Their offenses ranged from homicide and kidnapping to drugs, rape, burglary, and larceny.
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True. Show me a 30 ft wall, and I’ll show you a 31 ft ladder. Smh.
[/QUOTE]LOL, the new wall will have a drone patrols where the most common illegal crossings happen. And what do you do with just one ladder, jump down 30 feet when you hit the other side of the wall?
Good luck carrying a ladder in the desert, through mountains or over a river.
In addition infra red satellite technology can pretty much detect lower level tunnels
Well, it does not help your case when right was after someone points about the racism seen on among the ones against immigration to rely on a group that does rely on hate.
Also, what **DrDeth **View Post talked about was about immigrants. Your second cite does separate legal immigration, pointing that the problem is coming from the ones entering illegally. But, the writer of the article just has to rely on hunches in the end.
Federal prison is not representative of the general population that is incarcerated.
Find a non racist non biased cite, maybe.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes
But yes, there are a lot of illegals in Federal custody- because they are illegals. Not for other crimes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html?_r=0
*Analyses of census data from 1980 through 2010 show that among men ages 18 to 49, immigrants were one-half to one-fifth as likely to be incarcerated as those born in the United States. Across all ages and sexes, about 7 percent of the nation’s population are noncitizens, while figures from the Justice Department show that about 5 percent of inmates in state and federal prisons are noncitizens.
Opponents of immigration often point out that in federal prisons, a much higher share of inmates, 22 percent, are noncitizens. But federal prisons hold a small fraction of the nation’s inmates, and in many ways, it is an unusual population. About one-third of noncitizen federal inmates are serving time for immigration offenses — usually re-entering the country illegally after being deported — that are not covered by state law.
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Here are both sides:
http://immigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000782
*That data is interesting, because it describes the labor market before any immigrant workers are recruited. That, as Clemens says, “allows us to assess the willingness of native workers to take farm jobs before they can even be offered to foreign workers, meaning that this study does not miss any impact caused by people who self-select out of an area or occupation because of competition with foreign workers.”
That willingness, he finds, is basically nonexistent. Every year from 1998 to 2012, at least 130,000 North Carolinians were unemployed. Of those, the number who asked to be referred to NCGA was never above 268 (and that number was only reached in 2011, when 489,095 North Carolinians were unemployed). The share of unemployed asking for referrals never breached 0.09 percent.
When native unemployed people are referred to NCGA, they’re almost without exception hired; between 1998 and 2011, 97 percent of referred applicants were hired. But they don’t tend to last. In 2011, 245 people were hired out of 268 referred, but only 163 (66.5 percent) of the hired applicants actually showed up to the first day of work. Worse, only seven lasted to the end of the growing season:*
*This year, though, with tough times lingering and a big jump in the minimum wage under the program, to nearly $10.50 an hour, Mr. Harold brought in only two-thirds of his usual contingent. The other positions, he figured, would be snapped up by jobless local residents wanting some extra summer cash.
“It didn’t take me six hours to realize I’d made a heck of a mistake,” Mr. Harold said, standing in his onion field on a recent afternoon as a crew of workers from Mexico cut the tops off yellow onions and bagged them.
Six hours was enough, between the 6 a.m. start time and noon lunch break, for the first wave of local workers to quit. Some simply never came back and gave no reason. Twenty-five of them said specifically, according to farm records, that the work was too hard*
Now yes, maybe quintuple the pay and add benefits and you’d get a few to stick with it. But do you really want to pay 3-5 times as much for produce? or cut American growing down while depending on imported produce?
I believe the numbers. Trump’s whole campaign was about the fact that undocumented immigrants from Latin America were subhuman refuse and should be treated as such. Now that he is in power, it is not surprising that Latin Americans would be less interested in coming here knowing how they will be treated once they get here. As to whether this is a good thing or not I guess depends on whether one thinks that having the reputation of treating undocumented immigrants as subhuman refuse is an good for our country.
cite?
One thing to keep in mind is that many of the jobs done by illegal immigrant labor are incredibly labor-intensive, and the demographics of the illegal immigrant population does not match the demographics of Americans looking for work. Picking crops, for example, is a young person’s game, or at least a job for people in very good physical condition. If that description doesn’t fit you, then it doesn’t matter whether the job pays $2.50/hour or $25/hour–you still can’t do it. Roofing, for another example, means having the ability to carry 60-70# bundles of shingles up the ladder all day. If you don’t have the physique and stamina to do that, then trying to do so “because they’re paying good wages” tends to lead to injuries, worker’s comp claims, and disability pay, and then the job is still unfilled.
How many people are in federal prison solely or primarily for immigration crimes? Now, what is the ratio of citizens vs non-citizens in committing federal immigration crimes?
Per the Bureau of Prisons, about 8.4% of federal inmates are there for immigration crimes–I’m going to guess that relatively few of them are citizens, but I would welcome any data you have to refute that.
In the same line, 46.3% were there for drug crimes, which is by far and away the largest category. Drug offenses that take place within a single state’s borders are typically prosecuted by the state itself, so the ones who land in the federal pokey are mostly those whose offenses spanned state or national borders. I would expect to see a relatively high proportion of non-citizens among those trafficking drugs across the Mexican (or Canadian) border; do you not?
(Incidentally, current figures show that non-citizens make up 21.8% of federal prisoners, not 27%.)
So how do those figures compare to the arrest and offense data for native-born criminals (the two million or so non-aliens in federal/state/local lockups as of 2015)? At any given time, around one of every 37 adults in the U.S. was under correctional supervision, including probation and parole.
As for my post I was just remembering (or maybe misremembering) an article I had read and looking at the actual graphs you are right that it in fact has been a wash: the exchange is pretty much back on par with where it was for most of pre-election 2016.
The rest of my post of course I stand by.
What I pointed out in that thread was that the five months since Trump won the election have seen an increase that is nothing special for historical norms. Less of a rise than the first 5 month of the rally that began in February, median performance for the last seven years’ similar November to April five month time periods, and consistent with the long term bull run we’ve been in since 2009.
I had also specifically earlier stated that “yes, investors have piled in on the expectation that the combination of a GOP Senate, House, and Presidency will lead to business friendly tax reform and freedom from onerous regulations that impede profits just to do things like provide food and drug safety and limit pollution.”
So, no, I did not pick the inauguration date and I did not claim that perceptions of Trump had nothing to do with the rally.
Both these thread suffer from people myopically looking at a few months ignorant of how those months fit into a longer term context, in the case of the markets the overall bull run of the last eight years and the shorter term run up dating from February after a rocky 2015 and Jan. '16, and in the case of border apprehensions for about 17 years.
The drones run by an unlimited well of unicorn labour, no doubt.
No, you use your 30-foot rope.
The remoteness of these locations only make construction, maintenance and patrolling of a 30-foot wall more expensive and while I just love your optimism all to bits, Mexico isn’t going to paying for this - Americans are.
And if you’re out of rope, they’ve also got these things I believe are called airplanes. Sometimes people just ride them one-way. 
Sure, if you’re lazy. Personally, I suggest anyone showing the grit to cross the southern border on foot should be given extra points toward a green card.
Or make a trade - let a lean determined Mexican in, kick a fat spoiled American out.
Well, lean except for their cantaloupe-shaped calves.