I'm doing math again and my head hurts

Because you need it in different units.

For instance, you know that you need to change the expression of fractions sometimes to do the math.

1/2-1/3 =?

-or-

You’d like to pay with quarters but all you have is nickels.

-or-

You want to feet to inches so you know how many squares you can make from cloth for use in a quilting project.

Those are simple examples and you can probably do them in your head. But they’re only one conversion. Maybe we can put them together into a more complex problem.

Three friends are doing a quilting project. Alice agrees to do half, Betty agrees to do a third, and eleanorigby agrees to be responsible for the rest.

eleanorigby can buy 2 foot x 3 inch strips of scrap cloth from a store in town for 75 cents each. She knows that the total quilt will be composed of 480 squares made from these cloths. Being the smart Doper that she is, eleanorigby sees her chance to unload the nickels that keep accumulating at her place. How many nickels does she need to pay for her cloth?

1/2-1/3= 3/6=2/6 = 1/6, eleanorigby’s responsibility.
480 squares x 1/6= 80 squares needed by eleanorigby
2 feet=24 inches, /3 inches per square=8 squares per strip needed by eleanorigby
8 strips x 75 cents/strip = $6.00
$6.00/.05=120 nickels needed

I could have set much of that up as one long continuous fraction to show the set of conversions but I handled each separately, which seems to be how you prefer it. That’s fine; you’ll get the same answer either way.

Another really complicated one that also involves multiple conversions:

Dopamine comes in 400mg per 250cc D5W (the D5W is unimportant). You receive a pt with a Dopamine drip infusing at 15cc/hr. Your pt weighs 112 kgs. You need to figure out how much Dopamine this pt is getting. The doctor wants the pt to get 5mcg/kg/min.*

That answer’s part smart-alecky and part serious. The doctor is probably following some sort of guidelines that are written in a medical journal that has treatment recommendations for mcg/kg/min but the medicine doesn’t come packaged in those units, has to be corrected for varying patient weights, and the doctor has to control the rate to get what he wants the patient to have, anyway.

And really, sometimes units are of very different magnitudes. The 400 mg is 400,000 mcg—in other words 80,000 times the 5 mcg target (they could have saved you a step and labeled it in mcg but it’s metric, so you only move the decimal around). Anyway dispensed over time and divided by the patient’s weight etc., it may be enough to do the trick. Or you may have to hang another bag.

To illustrate the point of using units of strange magnitude to measure things…

“You should sleep 8 hours a day” = “You should sleep 28,800 seconds per day”

“John is six feet tall” = “John is .00113636363 miles tall”

Some units are just more comprehensible for the circumstance. I don’t want to know how far it is for me to drive from here to work in inches, either. Each has its usefulness in different situations.

And can we jump systems:

She weighs 110 lbs vs. 50 kg

Body temp is 98.6F vs. 37C

I use lbs and feet and gallons but if it’s science, metric is the only way to go.

Converting numbers, even though you don’t change their value, allows you to get them all to play nicely together in the same sandbox.

I understand that one needs to convert from inches to miles upon occasion (and who among has not needed that, I ask?), but Lobotomy brought up my nemesis:

Fractions.

Fractions are a small part (pun intended) of Hell on earth. It’s the devil’s way of reminding us that life does indeed suck and then we will ALL die. Or IOW, our piece of the pie (pi?)is so laughably small as to be insignificant.
Seriously–1/6? Puleese. When I want to do this equation: 1/2 -1/3, I want to know how much I have left over. Example: let’s say I have obnoxious younger brothers* and that I’m about 12 years old. Mother has said we must split the last piece of cake (I’m tired of pi jokes). I get to cut the cake (and Mama didn’t know that old saw of one kid cuts, the others picks the pieces of their choice). Of course I am out to cheat lil bros as best I can. You know I don’t leave them with this wussy 1/6 BS. I cut 1/3 off of the last piece of cake and I get the outer rim with all the frosting. Bottom line: I get a big ass wedge of cake and they get a small bit. They cry and I end up grounded.
That is math for me. YMMV.
(seriously, though–I understand that according to the rules, subtracting 1/3 from 1/2 leaves one with 1/6. I don’t agree with it. It may be true proof-wise etc, but IMO all that’s happened is that this math rule has moved the goalposts. To my mind, taking away 1/3 of a half of something leaves you with two unequal bits, not an entirely different fraction.) My mind is not a pretty place. I will understand if you all turn from the Dope in despair and devote your lives to Good Works.

*I don’t have a younger brother. Nor am I 12 (chronologically).

You know, you don’t have to use fractions. You could always just work with decimals instead.

Instead of doing 1/2 – 1/3 = 1/6, you could do
0.5 – 0.33333333333… = 0.166666666666…

Although, that way you sometimes have to work with repeating decimals. And it may be harder to grasp what 0.16666666… looks like than to picture 1/6. But if you want to avoid fractions, you can.

Ah, I* see where you went wrong.

You don’t have to be a math genius to know that it’s allllllll about the frosting. That’s surface area of a cylinder, 3D geometry, 2 x pi x r/3 times height. But anybody can see that the outer arc of the circle is way bigger than that little pointy bit in the center, to say nothing of that “wall ‘o’ frosting goodness” on the outer edge. When I was growing up, this piece would be debated and cut with the care you would use on a diamond. IOW nice try.

*I am a younger brother. I am the youngest brother, in fact. You can call me “baby,” just don’t call me “the baby.”:mad:

What you need to make your math work is some blind little brothers.

I’ll be outside having fun…and my baseball cards better be where I left them when I get back!

I totally feel your pain. I find coffee to be a big math facilitator. I’ve taken algebra 3 different times in my life - once for high school, once for ged, and once in preparation for an electronics course. I always pass the class but it doesn’t stay with me.

Finally, someone who “gets” me. :wink: You are so not getting the frosting, bucko. I speak as not only a girl, but the youngest girl AND the youngest child. I never got so much as a whiff of frosting…
Besides, are you really left with 1/6 of anything when you subtract 1/3 from 1/2? No–you are left with a small bit of something, because frankly, if you were measuring for wood trim or the making of instruments or the flight of a rocket, you’d be a helluva lot more precise, no? No one wants 1/6 of anything that came about due to being 1/3 less than 1/2. As you go through life, you will understand this, grasshopper. :smiley:

Unit circle - a circle with a radius of 1 unit. That’s all there is to it.

Why should you care? Because it yields nice, clean ratios like 3:1 or .7:1 or 1:1. It’s much better than using a circle with a radius of 56.789 so I get ratios like 170.367:56.789.

Any idea what the circumference is on the unit circle? Pi. That’s the only reason it’s an important number. Isn’t it nice to write " Pi : 1 " for a ratio instead of “20.48318 : 6.52”?

I don’t know why everyone is making it so complicated, talking about “oneness” and “whatever you want it to be” and whatnot. The answer to “1 WHAT?!” is “1 unit”. That’s where the name comes from. It never has a radius of $WHATEVER because then it would be called a “$Whatever circle”.
Fractions:

It’s just an unsolved division problem. 6 / 3 = 2. I can write that amount as either 2 or 6/3. It’s just one number being divided by another, where the writer chooses to leave it uncomputed.

The circumference of a unit circle is 2*pi, chief. GEOMETRY FAIL.

Dude, I didn’t say a radius of $WHATEVER - I said a radius of 1 $WHATEVER, as in, one millimetre, inch, furlong, gigaparsec, fill in as appropriate. The point being, of course, that whatever the unit of diameter, the circumference is pi of the same units.

Well, if you said a radius of 1 length-unit, then you would have a diametre of 2 length-units, a circumference of 2π length-units and an area of π square length-units.

Let’s review:

A circle C of radius r is the locus of all points in a plane which is at a distance r from the center of the circle, O.

A diametre of the circle is a straight line from a point on C and through O and terminating at the point on the circle opposite the starting point. It has a length of 2r.

The circumference of the circle is the arc length of one complete revolution along the edge of C. It is 2πr. This gives rise to the radian angle measure and π appears in a welter of situations apparently unrelated to the geometry of circles (the Gaussian distribution, Euler’s Formula – famously, exp(πi)=-1, etc.).

<Backs out of thread so the grown ups can fight.>

Long story short, ivylass, I feel your pain. Good on you for sticking with it!

Wow, I was youngest child as well. You got them grounded, right?

I have a feeling if we worked together and we found the last of a cake in the breakroom at the same moment, it would be destroyed and we would be wearing after in the melee. Well, 1/6 of it, with 2/3 to 3/4 of that (IOW 1/9 to 1/8 of the original total) on you.:cool:

No, not grounded-- my parents believed firmly in survival of the fittest.
I get that if one wants to cut a pizza into 6 equal slices that each slice will be 1/6 of that. But why do we always refer back to the whole? If I take a bite of your pizza slice (I like the crust end, btw), and leave you with 2/3 of it, the math sentence you would make to figure out how much I cheated you out of pizza would be:

1/6- x=2/3 of 1/6

And of course, to figure that out we have to monkey around with the prima donnas of the math world and get a common denominator etc. Anyway, whatever number that ends up being has no pragmatic relation to the piece you are left with OR the piece I stole.

1/6, need the same denominator, right?

2/3=4/6, so 1/6-4/6= I don’t know, but it’s a negative number and I’m lost and not really motivated to figure it out. But I got your pizza. Pwned! :stuck_out_tongue:

Ah, so it’s going to be a brat contest between us then?

[Dueling Banjos theme]

When I was little (say, 5) my brother (10) and I had to do dishes after supper every night. Except I was a total weasel and always managed to sneak off. Well one night he caught me on the stairs (I was going to hide) and said, “C’mon, mom wants us to do dishes.” I resisted, he persisted and…well, I pushed him down the stairs. Probably 2/3 to 3/4 of the stairs, in fact :eek:

My mom had heard a rumble, came rushing over, saw him at the bottom. He was lying there, holding his head and moaning. Looking back, I’m surprised we didn’t take him to the hospital that night. She yelled at him for picking on his little brother.

And guess who didn’t even have to do dishes that night! [/Dueling Banjos theme]

So did my mom, I guess :stuck_out_tongue:

We don’t always have to refer back to it, unless that’s appropriate. It’s a gestalt kind of issue. Since you say “cheated,” you’re really only referring to my part of the pizza in the first place. If my share was 1/6, you cheated me out of 1/3 of my total appropriation (since you left me with 2/3).

OTOH if you want to look at it like you stole part of the overall pizza, all of which should be rightfully mine I think anyway, you stole 1/3 of 1/6…that multiplies to 1/18. Easily demonstrated: cut it into six, then cut each of those six into three. You stole 1/18 of the whole thing.

All I know is, it’s payback time…:mad:

I wish I had had your parents. My brother once threw me down the stairs (ok, he didn’t mean to, but still!) and I got spanked for it! I still resent that one…

Stop with this 1/18 shit! NOBODY has 1/18th of anything*. I hate fractions for this very reason.

*unless there were 18 pieces of something and you had one of them.
The odd thing is I can do this fine (and it all makes sense) the other way. Example: if there are 18 pieces of candy and you take 6 of them, it makes perfect sense to me that you took 1/3 of all the candy. All is good and right with this world.

But if your brother (no doubt in payback for the stairs incident) comes along and swipes 4 of them from you, I am in the shit. I don’t believe that he’s taken 2/3s of your 1/3, which would be what? 2/9ths? WTF is 2/9ths of anything? It’s ridiculous.

In your example, 6 is indeed 1/3 of 18 (6/18, reduced to a simpler form). Bro takes four, which is 2/3 of 1/3, which is indeed 2/3 x 1/3, 2/9. 2/9 of the original 18=4. :wink:

C’mon, eleanorigby, you’re a Doper! You must enjoy those little optical illusions and things that rely on how you group/ungroup and perceive things…?

Some of the following may be NSFW. Lookee all the dolphins:

http://shitbrix.com/
mindfuck/
lovers-on-a-bottle

http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1C1CHNB_enUS339US339&sourceid=chrome&q=gestalt&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1024
And just for giggles:
http://shitbrix.com/
mindfuck/
eistein

What dolphins? I don’t get the 2 girls one at all. The others are fairly cute/bland/funny or stupid, depending…

I still say 2/9ths is one stupid fraction of anything. :stuck_out_tongue: (but you will notice I DID THE EQUATION CORRECTLY). I now rest on these math laurels, such as they are.

What dolphins, indeed.

The two girls = this one?

You probably see the old hag facing left. The young girl is facing away. The eye of the hag is the left ear of the girl.

No, that one is famous and was featured in both my HS and college psych books. This is the one with the 2 girls. I have no idea what is supposed to be so weird about it (except for the outfits on the girls, of course).

2friends

It’s supposedly some kind of mind fuck, but I don’t see it. It’s better than math, at any rate.

As you probably noticed, visitors post their thoughts underneath. I don’t see a lot of really conclusive evidence to support the most popular theories. My guess is it’s the lifted leg…tibia/fibula look really long, especially for a girl that age, like it was photoshopped. Compare her to the other girl; their knees are at the same height. If you work the ratios, I think you’ll see I’m right :stuck_out_tongue: