I'm no racist but...

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WTF is up with these Mid East freaks who just gotta kill somebody? Specifically Iraqis (currently) who are killing bunches of folks (noncombatants and fellow countrymen alike) with car bombs, body bombs, shopping bag bombs and the like.

I am sick of hearing this stupid “Jihad” excuse by the murderers and their organizations–Jihad is primarily an inward battle against ungodliness and is not supposed to affect innocent humans. If it does affect other people it is restricted only to individuals who pose a physical threat to ISLAM itself. The 09/11/01 attacks on the US are an excellent example of what it’s NOT. Car bomb attacks against civilains likewise.

So there’s terrorism. What about the citizens of Iraq itself? If they were too chickenshit to overthrow The Devil Himself and his regime why should the rest of the world care? But the rest of the world did care and the job got done and now there seems to be little gratitude–which result I’ve come to expect from any country in that cesspool of the world–just further atacks. Ya know, I didn’t hear the good people of Iraq begging us to please spare their ruthless dictator, and I didn’t even hear a concerted, “Ahem, well, thanks for ousting the bastard, but please leave…NOW.” when the deed was done.

I know I’m oversimplifying here. I know the region’s culture and 20th Century politics quite well. But I also know that we can’t just leave, or else there will be a contingient that will draw parallels to our leaving Iraq last time, and our leaving Afghanistan after the USSR decided they didn’t really want that piece of crap country anyway. And we can’t stay because more of our guys are gonna get wasted in a Viet-Nam-like quagmire of unidentifiable enemies, uncooperative non-combatants and unclear goal to occupation like: “Get your shit together, Iraq, we’re pulling out on February 23, 2005.” I used to think, “Kill 'em all & let od sort 'em out” was a silly if catchy jingle. Now it seems the only answer to some kind of lasting world security from Israel to Pakistan.

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Good thing violence never happens here.

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Besides, after Gulf War I the Iraqi people did rise up against Saddam. Tens of thousands of them were brutally slaughtered when the American support they thought they were going to receive never materialised. And you say we (The Administration) cared?

The truth pal, which is obvious to those of us unhampered by great big ideological blinkers, is that until it was politically expedient the world leaders currently harping on so unconvincingly about the poor Iraqi people viewed them as nothing more than a peculiar subspecies of humanity squatting on our oil. Don’t kid yourself.

Others will be along shortly to rip you many, many new assholes but I wanted to get that straight first.

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Shit, I mistakenly deleted the first line of my post which read "Perhaps they were too tired. The sanctions never allowed for much protein in their food rations."

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“I am sick of hearing this stupid “Jihad” excuse by the murderers and their organizations”

Got an example? Link? Cite?

“But the rest of the world did care and the job got done and now there seems to be little gratitude”

You seem to be under the false impression that the validity of the most recent Gulf War rested on freeing the Iraqi people from an evil oppressor. It wasn’t. Bush specifically went to war because we were in “imminent danger” and that Iraq had WMDs that could be functional in the span of 45 minutes. Any other outcome of the war was simply gravy to Bush and his administration.

Also, you have a strange definition of “rest of the world”.

“I know I’m oversimplifying here”

No shit.

“I know the region’s culture and 20th Century politics quite well.”

Sure you do. You’ve done such an excellent job of displaying that knowledge in this thread already. I’m not an expert, nor do I purport to be one. But I call “bullshit” on any inkling of knowledge of the Middle East that you claim to have.

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You guys may want to check this out. Somebody took one of my favorite songs and made it into a humorous political statement.

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Oops! That wasn’t a reply to you, Munch. Your post wasn’t up there when I wrote mine.

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Whenever I hear the phrase “I’m no racist, but …” I brace myself for the racist statement that is about to follow.

Such a stategy has served me well in the past, and it continues to serve me well in the present.

Yep, I think I’ll keep that stragegy.

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I agree, Spiff. “I’m no racist, but” is hardly ever the gateway phrase to enduring wisdom.

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Now may be a good time to point the OP towards Jodi’s A General FYI: If 20 People Say You’re A Fuckwit . . . .

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Gee, ya think?:rolleyes:

If you only had the slightest idea what an asshole you sound like…

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It boggles the mind how one can be the least bit surprised that citizens of a country we have invaded may just choose to shoot at us or attempt to blow us up.

I daresay that even the members of the far left in the US who think Bush is a dangerous lunatic might suffer a fit of pique if Uzbekistan showed up at our doorstep to overthrow him for us.

Quite aside from the morality or advisideness of the war itself it is the height of foolishness to expect that every Iraqi would overflow with gratitude that we came to the rescue. Calling resistance terrorism might feel good, but blowing up a car bomb is no different than firing a rifle. One act of violence is not morally better than the other.

Glad to see you have done a lot of deep thinking about these issues spiff. And for those who are counting, ten people have now called you a fuckwit. Give it five minutes and we will hit the requisite twenty.

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I’m not being racist or anything, but… those fucking Native Americans. Too damn chickenshit to overthrow the people who threw them off their land. Pussies!

And those slaves! Those chickenshit slaves. Oh sure, they tried a few half-hearted uprisings, but had to wait for good ol’ white man Abe to finally do something about it for them. Lazy fuckers.

Those bloody East Timorese! Fucking chickenshit bastards not able to overthrow the Indonesians. What were they waiting for? Had to get the UN in to fix that one.

And those chickenshit Zimbabweans! Christ, what a bunch of wusses, not overthrowing Robert Mugabe. Sheesh!

Hey, I’m not racist, but what about those goddamned Cambodians. They just lay back and let Pol Pot stomp all over them. They were so chicken that they let the fucking Vietnamese rescue them. Chickenshits!

Those damn Iranians, Burmese, Saudis, Palestinians, Cubans, Chinese, North Koreans, Congolese, Liberians, Sierra Leoneans, and so on.

I’m not being racist, but… all those brown and yellow people. Bunch of chickenshits!

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[nitpick]
The title of the OP should read “I’m no bigot, but…”
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Genocide as the only answer to the situation. Hmm, yup, I think that qualifies as vastly oversimplifying things. Thank od you’re not racist or anything, I’d hate to imagine what the solution would be in that case.:rolleyes:

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[nitpick to the nitpick]
The title of the OP should read “I’m a bigoted genocidal fuckwit, and…”
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I was in no position to make that judgement as I didn’t read the OP in its entirety. I’m trying to cut back on stupidity these days…

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Could you point me towards it. Haven’t seen it.

As for the OP - it smells of bridge-dwelling.

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Nevermind - I found it. Didn’t think about doing a search for today…:smack:

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Listen, if you want to pick a rant apart, please try to pretend you have above a 3rd grade reading comprehension and are able to understand what it is you have read.

Metroshane: you missed the point entirely. Apart from the odd OK city-type incident, violence in the USA is almost entirely restricted to single-perp vs. single victim. In some cases you may have gang involvement (mafia, cripps, etc.) but by and large this sort of organized killing is not the norm. I’m whining about murderous persons & organizations that completely twist an otherwise beautiful religion to support the indiscriminant murder of innocents.

Ben Hicks: I already covered your first point in the third sentence in the third paragraph of my OP. I cede you the second point. I think the fact that a major reason Iraq receives our loving attention is oil-based is no world mystery. But it must be admitted that relieving the Iraqis of the Hussein boys is worth noting—even if it IS only a side effect of another purpose. I don’t buy the protein bit as a viable obstacle to revolution. But it was kinda funny in a dark humor kind of way.

Munch: Are you kidding? Here’s a couple. If put “Jihad” into any search engine for any news agency online for a more complete list. http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/01/20/uk.binladen.jihad/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/06/mideast.violence/index.html
“You seem to be under the false impression that the validity of the most recent Gulf War rested on freeing the Iraqi people from an evil oppressor.” Immaterial to the OP, really. Only our fearless leader and his crones will ever know WHY we went to Iraq this time. I know it had nothing to do with the implementation of a Human Rights campaign any more than it had to do with WMD. As for the rest of your post, it resembles a hunter taking the rack off a road kill elk and hanging them over the garage door. Stop cavorting with the sharp comments and assumptions and acting like you tripped up the poster, and shut the fuck up when you have nothing else to contribute.

aryk29: Cool.

Spiff & Cervaise: Did ya have a point?

Carrot: premature. Just because some fuckwits cruise posts to bash the poster doesn’t mean the OP was created by a fuckwit. It just means some fuckwits wanted to get their names near the top of a post.

People, if you need the 3rd grade version of the OP here it is:

Can SOMEONE give me a perspective that can make sense of those who twist religious doctrine/human rights creeds to sanction the murder of non-soldier types? I point to the exploit of Islamic Jihad to this end, but could likewise suggest the German Nazis of the early 20th Century, the Albanian slaughter, the American Indian slaughter. In short, Why can’t murderous folks just tell the truth and retain some honor: “I just hate the bastards and I wanna kill ‘em.” And what options can we entertain to remove OUR people from the danger imposed by THOSE people? Do we have a duty to take bullets for and from THOSE people at this point in the game?

And I ask these questions because I want to know if a solution can be found to such large-scale violence. Is it rooted in misunderstanding between very different cultures? Or is it something more organic like humans just like killin’.