I'm protesting my Warning

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

@Max_S

I agree with you, except that I think the definition of “mass shooter” could be relevant. Last time I checked it meant 4+ homicides.

~Max

That’s my point, though. Sure, you could quibble around this question of what a mass shooting is. But would doing so change anything at all around the question of whether most mass shootings are committed by males?

Likewise you can debate what “male” is. But that also doesn’t change anything at all around the question of whether most mass shootings are committed by males.

[Max_S]

@Left_Hand_of_Dorkness

That’s my point, though. Sure, you could quibble around this question of what a mass shooting is. But would doing so change anything at all around the question of whether most mass shootings are committed by males?

If I were to fact check the premise of the question, which was asked without cites, it would be relevant so that I could begin to search for compatible statistics.

~Max

[UltraVires]

@Little_Nemo

You’re wrong. So is the OP.

The fact that some people that you want to think of as men are actually women and vice versa does not mean that there is no difference between men and women. In fact, it means the opposite; transgendered people are demonstrating that there is a difference between men and women by transitioning from one to the other.

What would get tedious is having to re-explain this simple concept in every single discussion where men or women are mentioned because some people can’t handle the reality of it. So the OP was justifiably warned not to bring it up in a discussion where it wasn’t a relevant issue.

I disagree. As this transgender issue is new, it might be helpful in a discussion about how “men do X but not women” or “women do Y but not men” or “women do Z and men do A” to explore if there is a difference between biological men and transgender men.

But I agree that it should not permeate every thread, and shouldn’t be used as a gotcha (although I’m not necessarily convinced that the OP was doing that, although that appears to be). If it was GD, I would definitely be opposed to the warning, but as GQ, I agree that those threads shouldn’t be mucked up with everything.

I guess I would have mod noted it and gave the OP the benefit of the doubt. It really is a reasonable question in some areas, and assuming your side is correct, you’ve got to give our side time to “catch up.”

[erysichthon]

Gee, I just wanted to find the marsupial house so I could look at those cute koalas, but here I am in the sea lion enclosure AGAIN! This zoo needs better signage! :mad:

[Velocity]

I would also like to add that this is the logical consequence of opening up the Pandora’s Box or letting the cat out of the bag. Once you’ve cracked open the lid to the notion that things aren’t as clear-cut as “men are men and women are women,” you’ve now invited a whole new angle of trollery or hijacking.

[Little_Nemo]

@UltraVires

I disagree. As this transgender issue is new, it might be helpful in a discussion about how “men do X but not women” or “women do Y but not men” or “women do Z and men do A” to explore if there is a difference between biological men and transgender men.

That’s not even close to what the OP asked.

In fact, it wasn’t even obvious that he was talking about transgendered people until he said so in the OP of this thread.

[Little_Nemo]

@Velocity

I would also like to add that this is the logical consequence of opening up the Pandora’s Box or letting the cat out of the bag. Once you’ve cracked open the lid to the notion that things aren’t as clear-cut as “men are men and women are women,” you’ve now invited a whole new angle of trollery or hijacking.

I think the board has made it clear that its position on trollery and hijacking is the opposite of inviting.

[Chingon]

@Velocity

I would also like to add that this is the logical consequence of opening up the Pandora’s Box or letting the cat out of the bag. Once you’ve cracked open the lid to the notion that things aren’t as clear-cut as “men are men and women are women,” you’ve now invited a whole new angle of trollery or hijacking.

No it isn’t.

[Max_S]

@Chingon

No it isn’t.

I’m with Chingon here.

…what just happened?

~Max

[Chingon]

Did we just become best friends?

[Max_S]

@Chingon

Did we just become best friends?

And here I thought Idle Thoughts was the only member who wanted to be my friend… :o

~Max

[HMS_Irruncible]

Cut-and-dried sealion gotcha. A bad-faith question intended to insinuate something rather than learn something. The warning was proper.

[UltraVires]

@Little_Nemo

That’s not even close to what the OP asked.

In fact, it wasn’t even obvious that he was talking about transgendered people until he said so in the OP of this thread.

I took that to be his question/gotcha in the thread as soon as I read it. In the spirit of fighting ignorance (either way) we should be a little more tolerant when it is appropriate, and as I said I agree with Chronos (yes, I will squirt bleach up my nose forthwith. ) that it seems that this wasn’t so much a question as a gotcha, so I do not have outrage mode on.

But, let’s back off on having SWJ hat on at all times…

[Max_S]

@UltraVires

squirt bleach up my nose

Is this a phrase? I’ve never heard it before and my search results were highly NSFW.

~Max

[Green_Bean]

@Velocity

I would also like to add that this is the logical consequence of opening up the Pandora’s Box or letting the cat out of the bag. Once you’ve cracked open the lid to the notion that things aren’t as clear-cut as “men are men and women are women,” you’ve now invited a whole new angle of trollery or hijacking.

Calling it a “pandora’s box” is inflammatory and offensive. Pandora’s box was a full-scale disaster. The greater visibility and acceptance of transgenderism is hardly a disaster. What’s the big deal? Some apparent girls are really boys, and some apparent boys are really girls. A few people genuinely aren’t sure whether they’re a boy or a girl, and a few people feel like they’re a little of both. Just sack up and accept that and you’ll be fine.
I don’t know whether the OP was trolling, sealioning, dog whistling, or standing on his head spitting wooden nickels. It doesn’t matter. He was being blatantly insincere because of some ulterior motive or another and that got a deserved warning.

[Max_S]

@Green_Bean

Calling it a “pandora’s box” is inflammatory and offensive.

I think Velocity meant a Pandora’s box of trolling.

~Max

[DrDeth]

While I do think the post could be construed as trolling, I am not sure if that was the intent, so perhaps a Note instead?

[MrDibble]

Naah, not when there’s a history of transphobia by the poster in question… That Warning was earned.

[Irishman]

@Aji_de_Gallina

Since the thread starts with the (correct in my point of view) presupposition that men and women are different at least in the mass-shooting sphere it made me wonder if he was saying that men are women ARE different enough, because if men qua men are more prone to mass-shooting (which is true) then the logical conclusion is that they can be different in other areas.

There was not attempt at trolling.

I love how you explain exactly how you are trolling and then claim it is not an attempt at trolling.

[UltraVires]

@Irishman

I love how you explain exactly how you are trolling and then claim it is not an attempt at trolling.

In what universe is that trolling? You might as well say that taking any conservative position is trolling because one has to know that it will get a rise out of people on this board.