Okay. I get you now. I thought you initially meant something quite different.
He doesn’t realize that white people are a protected class. Either that or he does know and wants to propagate false information.
It’s actually worse, everyone belongs to every protected class . . . unless you don’t have things like a race or a gender or an age!
I still don’t understand his point.
You don’t believe black hate crimes against Asians are rooted in white supremacy?
That would be any minority group not part of one of the protected classes. In Canada, this is even legally codified.
A good example, minority Christian sects are not generally protected. LGBTQ is protected, but polygamy is not. Most ‘protected’ statuses include religion, except that fundamentlalist Christians, who are definitely a religious minority, are generally not included even if they have mostly ethnic minority members.
The whole concept is daft, which is why there are so many exceptions and ambiguities in practice. Should a religious mimority be able to refuse to refer an abortion? Can a Muslim baker refuse to bake a gay cake?
I think CMC means that Nation of Islam anti-semitism is no different than Illinois Nazi anti-semitism. Put another way, a black person assaulting an asian or a white person assaulting an asian are not different forms of racism. The “good ol’ American Racism” bit is a stretch for me but it seems we’re doomed to interpret everything through the lens of American cultural and historic prejudices. Fair enough. Don’t want to bite off more than we can chew.
I can’t make sense of how that answers the agency question but I’m late to the conversation and frankly haven’t been keeping up very well.
Given my, potentially, bad understanding of how ‘agency’ is being used here.
IIUC
agency is defined as the capacity of individuals to act independently and to make their own free choices
It might be a little much to expect people to throw off everything their culture has taught/is teaching them and see the light when that light is being intentionally being hidden under a bushel by ‘their’ culture at every level.
Not to my beliefs.
Except for Apartheid – everyone should hate the white people that oppressed South Africans during Apartheid. Are you saying it’s wrong to hate those who enacted and support Apartheid?
What drew my attention to your comment initially was that I thought you were addressing the article containing the following:
The point I’ve made through all of those experiences is that anti-Asian racism has the same source as anti-Black racism: white supremacy. So when a Black person attacks an Asian person, the encounter is fueled perhaps by racism, but very specifically by white supremacy. White supremacy does not require a white person to perpetuate it.
I understand the above to mean that black racism is an extension/expression of white supremacy. That is what I initially assumed you meant as well. You provided additional context and so I concluded that you were not responding in agreement with the above quoted text. But I think that was what the “agency” question that @DemonTree was asking you.
I’m unaware of any grouping or phenomenon called “black hate crimes”. Many, and probably most, hate crimes in America are rooted in white supremacism, or related phenomena (which would include historical bigotry in America against Asian immigrants and Americans of Asian descent), regardless of the race of the perpetrator. I’m not sure if there has been any detailed research on the causes of any recent spasms of anti-Asian hate crimes.
I would be very careful about this sort of apologism. It’s been used before. We did not accept it then and we should not excuse it now.
I’ve seen some claimed . . . often by people that refused to define cross burnings were not hate crimes.
I didn’t remotely say that. Of course it’s okay to hate a supporter of Apartheid. But is it okay to hate all white people in South Africa because Apartheid is a white power system? Should all white people in South Africa be hated because they benefited from Apartheid, even if they never agreed with it and just happened to live there? Would you say that those white people are racist unless they actively take part in dismantling the system?
Are Asians in America a protected class? They tick all the boxes - visible minority, subject to hate crimes, etc. And yet, the Ivy Leagues get away with obviously discriminating against them. If the admissions of those schols were truly race-blind, the proportion of Asians in the Ivies would be doubled.
They claim it’s to maintain the schools’ cultures or something - which is exactly the argument that was used to exclude blacks back in the day.
It sounds like what you’re saying is: If we can identify a racially motivated crime that has also been committed by white people, it is therefore a white supremacy crime, even if it is committed by a black person. Put another way, a black person is unlikely to arrive at racial hatred of an asian person unless he was first exposed to such bigotry living in a racist white dominate culture.
Is that a correct understanding of what you mean or do you mean something else?
No, Asians are not a protected class. Race and ethnicity are protected classes.
Are you trying to nitpick here by using ‘Asian’ as ‘anyone who comes from Asia?’
Let me try again: Is being an ethnic Chinese minority a protected category? Because the Ivy Leagues discriminate against them, as they do against Japanese, Taiwanese, and other oriental ethnic groups.
How about the Uyghers? Because Youtube and facebook are censoring a domestic Uygher group trying to call attention to the genocide in China.
No, I’m pointing out that you clearly don’t understand what a Protected Class is.
No, zoom out. Think more in a generic sense. The rule is: It is illegal to discriminate based on race/ethnicity. Reach into the grab bag and pick any single possible variation and ask the question, “Can I discriminate against ______?” The answer will always be “No”.