I'm thinking about going to Cuba. Talk to me.

So. I’m a US born Canadian, living on the west coast. There are substantial changes in Cuban-US relations on the horizon, and I’d like to go to Cuba before McDonalds does. I’d prefer not to do the resort thing, because the point is not sun and hooch, but rather travel and seeing something different. Here’s a quote from Colibiri in another Cuba threadthat gets to the heart of it: "In some ways it’s frozen in time. If you just want a beach resort, it may not be worth the hassle. But if you’re interested in music, architecture, Cold War history, and other cultural aspects it’s fascinating. "

I’m married with kids. I speak beginner/intermediate spanish. My 14 year old son is taking introductory spanish, so this would be a positive reinforcement of academics if he came. We could even do a little course or seminar for a day or so, I suppose. He and I did a 3 day Morocco trip when he was 13 that was a blast, so I’m somewhat confident that it would work out. My spouse and 17 year old daughter both speak french, and my daughter has a significant food allergy which makes ‘eating in a foreign language’ tricky. Also, she may be more interested in checking out colleges during spring break. That said, she could probably live on fruit and protein bars for a week.

So. Option one is me and Attacklad. Option 2 is full family.

Give me your advice: Where do I go? Where do I stay? Are resorts the only options? Do I do a language school? Do I go to the Buena Vista Social Club? Who goes with me? What’s the surf like? Do I need to like mojitos and cigars? What do I bring back? What airline do I fly? Tell me the straight dope.

Um… adios?

There are about nine million resort offers flooding in everyday for Canadians (okay, slightly exaggerated), but there are lots. The only caution is to upgrade to your next level of rating (a four star there is a three everywhere else).

Enjoy!

Moved Cafe Society --> IMHO.

Gracias, adiós a usted , también.

Thanks. I’m never sure where travel should go. It always seems like a leisure activity, and the sort of thing one might discuss in a cafe. IMHO is good though.

Hey, we can’t blame you. All those deeds from 1958 might be pretty dusty though.
Will you be brushing them off before you head down there to move into your 50 square mile ancestral estate, complete with hot and cold running peons? :wink:

Seriously, I have no idea what we’re talking about here.

Visiting a repressive dictatorship always strikes me as a bit morally fraught. I’d be fascinated to visit North Korea, for instance, but I’d have a hard time knowing that the money I spent on the trip was paid over to a state that treats its own citizens so terribly. And certainly there was a time when tourist travel to South Africa would have garnered considerable disapproval. On the other hand, visiting China is now commonplace.

If you’re Canadian, you could have visited Cuba at any time, right? And as far as I know, nothing that has happened in US-Cuban relations has changed the day-to-day lives of the Cuban people yet. So why visit now?

Don’t stay in a resort. People rent out rooms in their houses - we rented a room in Havana for a weekend at the start of our trip, and had a lovely time getting to know the hosts, eating with them, getting the low-down. We then drove across to Santa Clara where we stayed in the magnificently Soviet Santa Clara Hotel on the main square, complete with bullet holes from the revolution etc. There we also got to know a lot of local people. We’re not big drinkers or partiers, but balmy evenings with excellent food, tasty rum drinks and dancing with the locals to live music remain a very happy memory. We did spend a few days in a resort on the south coast - but it was a resort for Cubans, and I think we were the only foreigners there. We fell in with a lovely guy called Vladimir who took us around several places we wouldn’t have found without his help, sorted it out for us when our car got a flat tyre from running over the terrifying giant crabs, helped us when we ran out of money (there aren’t many cash points and we just misjudged it - more about this in a sec), and was generally lovely. After we left there we drove back to Havana and stayed in a fancy hotel on the main strip - very luxurious in a Fifties way. We had an amazing time. We didn’t eat in the hotels. People also run small “restaurants” from their homes - we ate in a few people’s front rooms, and had some of the best food we’ve ever had.

About us running out of money. We had no problem taking money out from cash points anywhere, but when we got to Trindad we just couldn’t find one. It was Sunday, so the banks were closed. Vladimir took us to a local restaurant and talked to the owners, and they gave us the meal free on the understanding that we would pay for it the next day, on his word that we would. The next day he took us into Trinidad and translated for us at the bank (our Spanish is basic at best, and Cuban Spanish is an incomprehensible variant anyway). Later we worked out that the cost of the meal, very reasonable to us, was actually a month’s wages for a Cuban person. The owners of the restaurant had effectively lent a month’s wages to complete strangers, with no guarantee at all that we would come back and pay it. Vladimir had given his word that we would, so if we hadn’t I suppose he would have been on the hook for at least some of it. They didn’t think twice about it. All over Cuba we found people to be so generous and kind, extremely open about their political opinions and criticism or praise of the government, and just… really happy. We met people who totally disagreed with Communism, but still acknowledged all that it had achieved.

Tom Tildrum, the terrible way it treats its citizens results in everyone receiving a living wage for the local economy, plus rations of basics which mean that nobody goes without anything they really need. We didn’t see one single homeless person or drunk the whole time we were there. We felt totally safe wandering around Havana, Santa Clara, Trinidad and smaller places late at night. They have one of the best healthcare systems in the world, exporting doctors to nominally more developed countries. They have almost 100% literacy, even in the most rural populations. And as I said, everyone just seemed happy. Not just in tourist areas - normal people in backstreet bars who spoke no English and were amazed to see us there. I know visiting for a short time doesn’t give a full impression; I know that the act of observation changes the thing being observed, and they were behaving as if there were strangers there. But you’d think that some of the critics of the government/system would have been able to come up with something to say to us, wouldn’t you? Apart from just that they didn’t really agree with it?

Attack from the 3rd dimension, I totally agree with you that you want to get in there before it gets commercialised and touristed up. Spend as much time as you can with real people, preferably in their homes. If I possibly can swing it, I want to try to get back there this year to see it again before it goes. Just one thing - when they tell you not to drink the water, they really do mean it. I have a pretty iron stomach, but in the one place where I accidentally ignored the advice, I knew all about it for a couple of days. If they say it’s fine, it’s fine, but if they say it’s not, don’t do it to yourself.

I love Cuba.

If you’re interested in Caribbean and Spanish history and architecture but don’t want the rigamarole and dictatorship of Cuba, you might want to consider Puerto Rico. It has a lot of the same history up until about 1900, after which it diverged. San Juan itself, outside of the historic districts, is pretty much a McDonalds/Burger King land, but the countryside is very different. I liked Maunabo - no McDonalds, no Burger King, plenty of sun, beach, and coconut trees. As a bonus, US citizens (which I presume you are since you were born there) don’t need any visa whatsoever. No forms, no application, no approvals, just go.

It was similar with the Soviet Union in the 1980’s. You could take a fairly inexpensive (by European standards) trip to Moscow, stay in a Soviet state hotel, see Red Square, etc. It was legal in the sense that when you came back, there wasn’t anything specific they could charge you with. It wasn’t considered a very patriotic move. A similar situation applied to East Germany. You could go across Checkpoint Charlie legally, but spending a lot of your money there wasn’t considered especially virtuous (but again, there was nothing specific they could charge you with when you got back).

And yeah, the US has warmed up quite a bit to China. Visiting China now is more or less normal. North Korea, not so much. It’s possible to do, but naah, not my idea of a good trip.

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Wouldn’t you be in breach of the US embargo laws, if you’re still an American citizen? If so, could that pose problems for you if you want to go back to the US?

When Fidel was in power he told the Cuban people that if you cause harm to a tourist, you will go to jail. Apparently Cuban jails are not pleasant. You were safe to hitch hike, etc. Fidel knew that tourism was good for the economy.
I don’t know if the same exists with Raul in power.

Life is too short to give a damn whether the United States Government considers you ‘patriotic’ or ‘virtuous’. If I’d been around then (I was just a baby) I would have taken the trip largely to express my contempt for the whole Cold War.

Uh, Puerto Rico is an extremely culturally different place from Cuba. They may have been somewhat similar up till 1958, but their politicl history since then has been as different as any two places on earth, and politics does influence culture. Strongly.

This dovetails with what I understand of Cuba both from reading and from talking to people who have been there. They have an extremely low crime rate, a longer life expectancy than America, and the second highest human development index of any Latin American country.

My friend who was there doing volunteer work mentioned that ordinary people seemed to have a better relationship with the police than Americans did, and given some of the recent police scandals in this country, I’m not surprised. (Cuba does, to their discredit, imprison a lot of people. Still fewer than the United States does, though, per capita).

You can try and see if you can figure out an educational, cultural or humanitarian purpose for your trip and get it officially licensed.

There are companies that package up educational tours of Cuba for US citizens and arrange your paperwork with the US government. I won’t shill for any of them, but they are pretty easy to find with a simple search for “legal Cuba travel for US citizens” or something like that.

By the way, Attack, Puerto Rico is a really fun place to go, inspite of what I just said. Don’t expect it to be like Cuba or the Dominican Republic, because it isn’t: it’s an integral part of the United States, just one that happens to be tropical, Spanish-speaking, and culturally/ethnically somewhat different from the mainland. (Substantially more Puerto Ricans currently live on the mainland than in Puerto Rico now, I think). It’s still a very cool place, and in many ways the US-style infrastructure is nice. I don’t know how old you are, but they’re the only part of the US with a drinking age of 18, so you may appreciate that too.

I was there for a week visiting a friend and my experience was that Puerto Ricans (like Quebecois, I think) value their linguistic identity very highly, so if you speak some Spanish it will be much appreciated.