Has anyone seen this? A very compelling discussion of the damage that our current immigration policies are doing. And keep in mind that his discussion is based on the LEGAL immigration. Take 10 minutes and watch this.
“Take ten minutes and watch this”?? If it’s a Youtube video with a 10-minute running time, it’ll take three hours to download over dial-up. And what ever happened to making intelligent written explanation of the point you’re trying to make? You know, words aimed at convincing people to agree with your POV? People actually do read them on this, what do you call it? Oh, yeah… message board.
By the way, I was not aware you were totally Native American. May I ask which nation?
Well, to be fair, European immigration did do a lot of damage to Native American nations. 
Jesus Christ, relax! Cut the man some slack! If you want a written explanation, the polite thing to do is to ask for a summary, not to excoriate someone for posting a video that you can’t download. It’s not hard.
Hey Poly, we’re only in IMHO not the pit. Take it easy. 
*Trying to be objective: *
In summary the lecturer is demonstrating how immigration in the last 25 years has caused as much population growth as the existing population growth, which has been low. He then goes on to demonstrate that current policy will result in a vast and constant increase in the US population.
In the end he is arguing we need to decrease the amount of immigration we allow to a number that allows for slightly more than replacement levels.
Ultimately he is making the point we cannot afford to help the impoverished world by taking their tired and poor.
*End of being objective: *
Where he is loses me is that rather saying we need to try and help the tired and poor where they are, he says we need to just turn our backs on them and lock them out.
Believe it or not the video makes some good points, it is a shame **Clothahump ** chose not to explain it and maybe put this in GD for some studied opinions.
Jim
I’ve got no dog in this hunt, but I agree with Polycarp. Besides, the OP did sound dangerously like “OMG U HAVE 2 C THIS!1!!1!Shift+one!”
Since you don’t wish to describe or debate what was said in the video, I’m moving this thread from IMHO to MPSIMS.
Well that’s nine minutes and 30 seconds of my life that I will never get back.
It wasn’t a matter that I didn’t want to discuss it. I felt it was reasonably self-explanatory and I simply offered it up for discussion. I think that the points made in the lecture were right on target and are of critical import to all of us.
And Poly…WTF?
Clothahump, if you liked the video and think it is important, than please take the time to include the points you expect us to see and why it is so important to you. It is not asking much, that you include a few sentences at least. Maybe not as much as I did for you, but something at least would be good.
You have strong feelings about political issues that are often out of step on this board. In this case, you found a video that while it would be nitpicked, does raise some real points that are true concerns. You would be doing yourself and the board much more good by taking the effort to provide a little detail and maybe your opinion on why it was “A very compelling discussion”.
I hope you find this critique fair and useful,
Jim
The guy’s arguments are pathetically, transparently stupid.
- Argument #1 is that since 1970 population has grown in large part only because of the baby boom echo, and has grown more than that because immigration takes place, since the existing population doesn’t have a high enough birth rate. This results in a lot of infrastructure you have to build to keep up with the population.
This is the usual immigrant-haters argument #1; that it costs something to support immigrants. be if infrastructure, jobs, or what have you. The forgotten part is that immigrants are economically productive. Human beings do take up jobs and infrastructure, but they CREATE jobs and infrastructure by producing economic gains.
If the infrastructure requirements of population growth weren’t offset by the economic productivity of that same population growth then logically all Americans would be utterly impoverished by now. To prove that population growth will make it impossible to keep up with infrastructure you must demonstrate that the marginal population growth outstrips corresponding marginal economic growth, which this guy doesn’t even try to prove.
- Argument #2 is that eventually immigrants will outnumber Americans…
… but to make this point
THE SPEAKER ASSUMES THAT ALL DESCENDANTS OF IMMIGRANTS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES, EVEN PAST THE FIRST NATIVE-BORN GENERATION, ARE FOREVER IMMIGRANTS!
If you don’t believe me, look carefully at his chart. Really, he’s saying that.
Honestly, there may be good arguments for restricting immigration, but only an idiot would believe this particular guy. The guy’s points WEREN’T on target because they were based in stupid assumptions; the first was based on the assumption that immigrants do not work, and the second that people born in the United States are not Americans depending on who their grandparents are. By this guy’s logic, there are no Americans living in the United States today, since he defines the descendants of immigrants as remaining immigrants.
Well, how do you think the Native Americans feel? For them, almost all Americans are descended from immigrants
So are they. The species *Homo sapiens * is not indigenous to the New World.
And as has been mentioned, whatever miniscule economic gains may be created by employing them are drastically offset by their disproportionate consumption of social services.
Speaking as legal immigrant, I’d really like to see a cite for that.
Sure, I drive on the roads etc., but I also put in my share when Uncle Sam passes the hat by way of the IRS. (Statistically, I put in a good bit more than the average true-blue US Joe.) I can count at least 5 other immigrants in my department without thinking too hard, and they’re all of them productive, professional and presumably in the corresponding tax bracket.
I know, anecdote, plural, data - but I’d like to see the numbers on legal immigrants consuming a disproportionate amount of social services. (If you want to emigrate for the superior social services, the US may not be the first place on the list - just sayin’…)
The last bit where the speaker introduces argument-ad-gumball to explain that the US can never help the third world by taking in a million immigrants per year demonstrates his lack of knowledge of his material. Most US immigration is not due to humanitarian efforts - it’s family-based.
Immediate relatives (spouses, children and parents) of US citizens is by far the biggest chunk - 30-40%.
Family-sponsored immigration (grown sons/daughters, immediate family of legal residents, siblings of US citizens) makes up for another 20-30%.
The humanitarian contingent - refugees and asylum seekers are typically 10-15%. It wouldn’t make much of a difference…
Numbers can be found here: Homeland Security yearbook on immigration
You might want to look into the difference between “mentioned” and “demonstrated.”
Prove it.
There are no “miniscule economic gains” to increasing the population; the gains are precisely proportional to their percentage of the working population.
And I like how you just ignored the point about the utter stupidity of the guy’s graph that pretended “Descendants” of immigrants were themselves immigrants. Which would include you, by the way. That point alone makes the guy either retarded or a colossal liar. Great video, I laughed really hard until I realized Big Red Graph Man wasn’t kidding about the “immigrants and their descendants” bit.
Yea, didn’t watch this video… but I bet it’s this kind of bullshit that inspires the smart and witty political and social commentary that is Cledus T. Judd’s latest masterpiece, a little diddy called “Illegals”. Heard it on the radio yesterday and it made me wanna kill the radio. It was such a blatantly racist song about illegal immigrants aka “Mexicans”, that I had to check the calendar to make sure this was really 2007. This Bizarro America we’re living in is starting to really suck, and I hope the collective nightmare ends soon.
(Tried to find the lyrics to Judd’s piece of shit song but I can’t find them… anybody else know where I can find the song or lyrics?)
He did take it easy. Had it been in the Pit it might have been more like this:
Following up on the disproportionate amount of social services…
There’s a reason it’s called “sponsored”. In the 4-inch pile of paperwork involved in bringing a relative to the US, the sponsor has to document that (s)he is capable of and willing to support said relative. In other words, if you bring a family member to the US, you’re expected to pony up before (s)he can start rolling in the fountain of wealth that is US social services.