Improved US Government

Recently, we’ve all been treated to another cycle of threads in which the libertarians among us make the general claim that most of the goals of governmentally run social programs and regulatory agencies could be accomplished more efficiently by market forces and personal charity. Here’s my problem, and the reason I’m starting this thread: whenever I try and discuss, in these threads, the relative merits of libertarianism over our present system, I find that, rather than being provided with specific explanations of the mechanisms by which markets can attempt to tackle social problems, I’m subjected to examples of the perceived failures of our present government, or given a lecture on the ethic of non-coercion as the only justifiable concern of government. When asked for specific ways in which that ethic can be applied in actual situations, libertarians complain that all us statists are being unfair by insisting they explain “every hypothetical situation” in terms of libertarian thought. When asked to present evidence for the marvelous efficacy of libertarian philosophy, they say “Well, there are no real world examples, but here’s an example of a market-based solution for blah-blah that worked,” never acknowledging that their example “worked” (not always true) in the context of a regulated marketplace and may not work in an unfettered market.

Now I’m all for improving government and allowing “peaceful, honest people” to exist without fear of coercion from the government or from their fellow citizens. However, since I don’t have the patience to deal with utopian ideals and unworkable non-coercive forms of government, and since most of the incisive criticisms of our present system have come from the people who DO advocate those ideals and forms of gov’t, I seem to be frustrated in my desire to see pragmatic ideas for effective improvements. So I thought and I thought, and I came up with a brilliant idea! A short time ago, in one of those threads I mentioned above, (here if you must have a link), a remark was made (by Kimstu) about how welcome a “political discourse where people are actually interested in having calm, critical discussions about practical ways to improve the present government” would be. I expressed support for this sentiment and was promptly invited (with gentle irony) to start such a thread. Good idea. I’ve decided it’s time to do that.

First, though, I’d like to establish the boundaries of this “discourse.” The idea behind this thread is to discuss and make argument in support of specific and practical ways in which the present US government could be made to better represent the best interests of US citizens. I will entertain notions from people of any and every political persuasion or geographical location, HOWEVER this is NOT an invitation to:[list=a][li]suggest dismantling the US government in favor of some radically different government,[]argue the merits of a radically different government,[]deliver any pointless rant enumerating the many flaws in the US system of government, orhijack the thread in order to present the reasons why your political party should determine how the rest of us think[/list=a]Please be prepared to support your suggestions with rational argument. Please also try and refrain from rhetoric. Please provide links to or verifiable quotations from any reference sources from which you cite.[/li]I’ll start us off: I submit that the main cause of poor representation of our interests is the fact that a large percentage of elected officials are poorly qualified, morally ambivalent or self-serving, and look no further than the interests of their more “financially expressive” constituents. My suggestions would deal with what I consider to be two of the main enablers for these types to reach office, namely the manner in which the candidates for public office are supported and presented. (Suggestions dealing with selection and qualification of candidates are heartily invited.)

Suggestion #1
I would put a spending cap on privately funded political ads. In addition, I would supplement campaign ads with public funds and provide equal space and time in all news media for candidates to present themselves in any way they choose. (Obviously, public funding being limited, the scope and number of the ads would have to be limited as well.) The only prerequisite for public funding (besides qualification as a candidate) would be to provide a full position paper for each issue addressed in the proposed ads. These position papers would be published in all print media side by side with the position papers of the other candidates for the same office. All private political endorsements would remain unregulated, of course, including all sponsored radio and television shows, Op/Ed pages, etc. The only aim would be to promote equal dissemination of each candidate’s ideas rather than media “blitzes” by the most well-funded candidate.

Suggestion #2
I would put a cap on the total amount of money each candidate could spend in their campaign. A candidate could be entirely self funded, or contributions could come from PAC’s, corporations, individual contributers, etc. As long as major contributers to each campaign are reported (along with the amounts contributed), I would put no limit on individual contributions, up to the cap. The spending cap would be determined by the political office being sought. National campaigns would have a higher limit than would state or local campaigns. No limits would be placed on the amount of voluntary support any candidate could receive, as long as the support was not financial in nature.

Please feel free to critique my suggestions and provide reasons they would not work or would be bad on practical, constitutional or ethical grounds. I’m not emotionally attached to these suggestions, but, barring good critical analyses by others, I think they’re workable and would effectively address the cynical truism that “the candidate with the most money wins.”

May I suggest, as a start, the repeal of all laws of prohibition against substances, like marijuana, and nonvoilent behavior, like consentual sodomy? One practical way to do that would be to enact a single law that repeals the other laws.

Good start, and I agree with you.

However [devil’s advocate = ON] what about the spread of blood-borne pathogens, which might be exacerbated if the use of injected substances by junkies were not prohibited? How about the spread of STD’s? Wouldn’t we be asking for more health problems? Would all currently prohibited substances be available over the counter, or do you advocate limited controls, such as doctor prescriptions? Doesn’t cannabinol lead to murder and Satanism? [devil’s advocate = OFF]

(OK, forget about the last question.) I don’t really see the health aspects as a legitimate argument against legalization of substances, but I’d like your thoughts on the control issue.

Thanks for the encouraging words, Xeno! :slight_smile: (I’m still smarting from your anger with me… I’m a Melancholy, y’know.)

Well, for minors, I recommend parental control. For grown-ups, I recommend self-control. And for people who won’t control themselves, I recommend letting them pay their own medical bills or else letting them die. I’d say that’s a practical way to let the problem of control take care of itself.

So I take it you’re not in favor of regulation of any substances. I can’t say I disagree in principle, but personally, I’m not uncomfortable with proscriptions based on the age of the user or the hazards involved in the substance, as long as there are specific standards for the proscriptions that are subject to public and professional review.

[personal hijack of my own thread]
(BTW, I think you’d’a been angry too if I implied you weren’t really concerned with fair argument, and if I characterized your disagreement with my definitions as equivocation and lack of discernment. Sorry about the birthday card crack.)
[/personal hijack]

Well I agree with Libertarian on the prohibitionist laws. with the exception of controls much like acohol now has.

As for your suggestions Xenophon41, I agree with the exception of allowing corporate interests a stake in politics, or at least at the candidate level anyway. But this is where my real suggestion comes in, I would do away with corporate personhood. I don’t think they should be allowed as a corporation (indivuals can do whatever they wish)to contribute to candidates or parties.

Xenooo, change the ‘your’ in teh sentance above to ‘no’, and you have my suggestion -
No political party should determine how the rest of us think.

No problem, tradesilicon; consider it so! However, it would be nice if you could expand on the excellent sentiment. Do you suggest a fundamental change to the political party system? That would be an interesting and arguably valid approach to reform.

stuffinb:

What would you consider to be a “stake in politics”? Just campaign contributions? Or are lobbyists included? Not trying to be difficult here, but, besides banning direct campaign contributions, what limits, if any, would you place on corporate activity in politics?

The suggestions in the first post are unconstitutional.

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What would you consider to be a “stake in politics”? Just campaign contributions? Or are lobbyists included? Not trying to be difficult here, but, besides banning direct campaign contributions, what limits, if any, would you place on corporate activity in politics?


You’re right I was a little vague. Lobbying would be fine in my book, as well as speaking to issues which might affect them in Congressional or Senate testimony. But other than that I think they bring to much of a corrupting influence when $$$ is concerned. So not contributions of any type. I’d be willing to let them sponsor conventions maybe, as long as they were open to the public.

Not quite true, as I discuss here. Lemme quote myself:

Actually, since it’s relevant, I’ll give you the rest of that post. This is my ‘black box’ model of campaign finance reform, which innocently accepts (heh heh) the word of politicians and donors when they say no influence-peddling takes place:

Given the chance, that would be the first practical reform I’d make to our political system. (The second? Preference voting for political office.) Mandated anonymous donations–preserving the ability of individuals and organizations to make political contributions, while minimizing the pernicious effect of money on politics.

I also agree with stuffinb’s idea about rescinding the status of corporations as a legal entity akin to a citizen.

Thanks, Gadarene for expanding on TampaFlyer’s assertion. It appears that my suggestion #2 (and probably #1) violates the 1st Amendment, as interpreted by the Supremes.

In that case, my suggestion # 3 would be to create a campaign finance amendment to the Constitution to implement suggestions # 1 and 2. :wink:

I can see the merit in having a clearinghouse for contributions, but I think it’s really stretching “clear and present danger” to prohibit making a candidate aware of your contributions. If spending caps can be taken as a breach of freedom of speech, I think muzzling contributors could definitely be construed as such.

I’m thinking about the ramifications of preference voting in terms of national elections. I’ll try and comment later! Thanks for the link.

xeno: Given that the Supremes have already ruled on the danger inherent in having money corrupt the system (their basis for half of Buckley), why would it be stretching Holmes’ standard to allow anyone to contribute whatever they wanted, under conditions of regulated anonymity? Seems like you have the best of both worlds there: people can give, candidates can receive, but the threshold of acknowledgment simply isn’t crossed. It’d take most of the money out of politics damn quickly, in my opinion. :slight_smile:

Hmmm. I guess I’m straining at a gnat here, since I’ve already swallowed the camel by taking political ads outside of the realm of “free speech”. I’ll concede the point, because I like the practicality of your “black box” model. However, I much prefer (on a visceral level) an open book policy toward political contributions. It just seems to fit in better with the ideals of free speech and right to assembly.

The more I think about preference voting, the more I like it. Most political analyses I hear concerning Presidential elections seem to come down to key issues. We may like candidate A for their stand on SOCAS, but prefer candidate B for their stand on abortion. Preference voting would allow a better representation of, well, one’s preferences, and would reduce the feeling of “wasted votes.”

Yeah, it really limits the sentiment of “If I vote for a third party, I’m just throwing my vote away.” In fact, it allows for elections to be far better consensus-builders than they are now. There are a few quirks, of course: a candidate could technically win the office without receiving a single first-place vote, if opinion on the other candidates was radically divided (i.e., people either love them or hate them). And you actually have to have more than two candidates with whom the public is familiar–something that’s simply un-American, apparently. :rolleyes:

How about having candidates stand for election rather than run for election.
If a campaign was a matter of weeks rather than a matter of months then less money would be needed to gain a chance at winning.

The difficulty here is that if everyone knows when the election is going to be held then campaigns would stretch past the allotted weeks. In parlimentary democracies this works because no one knows ahead of time when elections will occur. I don’t see how this could be implemented here without a “radically different government”.
We could try outlawing early campaigning though.

Outlawing exit polls and the elimination of the electorial college system seem “specific and practical” ideas to me.

2sense:

Of course, this also has its down-side. In the UK the naming of election dates is a cat-and-mouse game between government and opposition. A clever Prime Minister and chancellor won’t hold an election until the conditions are just right: Thatcher after the Falklands War, Tony Blair after Gordon Brown (the chancellor) announces more money for the health service, or transport, or tax cuts.

Alternatively, they can just attempt to handicap the opposition. Both major parties have hinted at elections just to get the other spending their campaign funds prematurely, with the result that the party in government can dominate the media (at least in terms of advertising) in the immediate run-up.

Number two offering:

Rescind all executive orders that interfere in the affairs of peaceful honest people. The practical way to do this is to elect a libertarian president.

Here are my pet reforms:

First: Remove all barriers to minor party candidates at the federal level. Right now, the Dems and Repubs control who gets on the ballot and how. This serves to keep third party candidates, like Browne, Nader, Buchanan and Ventura, out of the debates and off the ballots. A larger number of viable parties would force each to truly compete with each other on a range of ideas.

Second: Public financing of campaign ads. Since television is our primary means of political advertising, each candidate should be alotted a certain amount of advertising time. Ads would run consecutively, with the order of the candidates picked at random.

As you can tell, my biggest beef with the current system is the lack of competition. Force parties and candidates to truly compete in a healthy marketplace of ideas and the country as a whole benefits.

gEEk

Lib: What would a Libertarian Party president actually do then? (I’m aware that the Libertarian Party does not entirely match the libertarian philosophy.) In other words, what executive actions could he/she take that would not “interfere in the affairs of peaceful honest people”?

gEEk: I like the idea of opening up elections to minor party candidates (at least more so than we do now), but I’m curious as to the specifics. In your mind, what would be adequate qualifications to be considered a political party?

I thought of making my first suggestion to have political advertising entirely based on public funding, but I shudder at the tax burden this would create, particularly if more political parties are able to field candidates (which I agree is a good thing). What are your thoughts on that?