In case of Rapture bumper sticker...

http://members.nbci.com/Cosmotopia/demon-hp.html
Oh, and here’s a handy list of demons for you demonically inclined. The list notes that Lucifuge has attributes appropriate to his name.

The first time I saw such a billboard I thought it was pretty funny. Later I started thinking, “but I want you to come down here, because I’ve got some questions…”

Further down the path of time I started seeing other “God” authored messages and thought that some of them were playing pretty fast and loose with the accuracy of what God’s message as I understood it was. Or they just confused me.

My name came from a D&D character I had when I was in the 8th grade. I later used it when I was in the SCA. And now it’s just stuck.

I’ve earned other names too - Malakai, The Dark One, His Dark Presence, and Arch-Nemesis. I suppose it comes from my ability to take some small easily overlooked detail, like a bumper sticker (or at work, a point in a business plan) and point out small detail that results in a detailed introspection of the topic until folks are pulling their hair out.

But I don’t think I’m really evil. Just a bit misguided.

The first time I saw such a billboard I thought it was pretty funny. Later I started thinking, “but I want you to come down here, because I’ve got some questions…”

Further down the path of time I started seeing other “God” authored messages and thought that some of them were playing pretty fast and loose with the accuracy of what God’s message as I understood it was. Or they just confused me.

My name came from a D&D character I had when I was in the 8th grade. I later used it when I was in the SCA. And now it’s just stuck.

I’ve earned other names too - Malakai, The Dark One, His Dark Presence, and Arch-Nemesis. I suppose it comes from my ability to take some small easily overlooked detail, like a bumper sticker (or at work, a point in a business plan) and point out small detail that results in a detailed introspection of the topic until folks are pulling their hair out.

But I don’t think I’m really evil. Just a bit misguided.

Now if you’re going to simultaneously discuss Christianity and statistics, I’m your man. :slight_smile:

Somehow I don’t see the necessity of taking a ‘statistically valid sample’; those things involve time and money, and unless the result is going to be in somebody’s official statistics, or in an article in a scholarly journal, or some other highfalutin’ place, I think we can consider the nature of the poster’s more informal sample.

In this case, our friend Polycarp lives in rural North Carolina, and finds his way into Raleigh on a regular basis. It’s safe to assume that he’s spoken, over the years, with a fair number of people with bumper stickers of the sort under discussion.

I can back up his impressions. I’ve been rubbing shoulders with evangelical Christians intermittently for nearly thirty years now, and my experience with them includes, among other things, five recent years as a math professor at an evangelical Christian college in eastern Tennessee. “How can you be a Christian and a Democrat?” is a question I’ve heard (stated in all seriousness) more than a few times. And the certainty of evangelicals that they (a) know the criteria for salvation, (b) have met them, and (c) can say with authority that certain people haven’t met them, is in my experience a near-universal phenomenon among that subset of the population.

I don’t mind people believing that they have been saved; having what one believes is direct and ongoing experience of God is likely to give one the impression (which the Bible supports, after all) that death will hardly be an impediment to the continuation of the experience. My problem here is the notion that this is anything to boast about - especially as the Bible frequently asserts that it isn’t.

But the notion that we can know that someone’s bound for Hell if they should die at this instant - I think we can agree that that is pretty excessive hubris. We didn’t make the rules, we don’t know them, and the Bible sure isn’t clear about them.

Freed-Hardeman, perchance? I knew a couple of folks who went there. I graduated from Samford U., in Birmingham, Alabama.

I still live in Alabama, which is sometimes referred to as “the buckle of the Bible Belt,” so I know about conservative Christianity. I agree with the generalities you discuss. I’m just saying you can’t assume that a bumper sticker on a car means the person driving it views the world through the filter of those same generalities.

Haven’t heard of Freed-Hardeman, I confess. No, I taught at King College, in Bristol, TN. (Nobody’s ever heard of King, either.)

We all agree that the general rule doesn’t necessarily apply to every last driver whose car has that bumper sticker.

I thought you were questioning whether it was true for such drivers in general. I apologize if I managed to misunderstand you.

Can I take a second to bitch about those stooopid Darwin fish with feet? Christian fish do not mean the driver does not believe in natural selection! Darwinism is not the opposite of Christianity! People with these things on their cars remind me of all the knuckleheads in the “atheist” chatrooms who seem to think that atheism is the specific opposite of Christianity.

Thank you. That felt good.

Maybe I will be. But, if you have been reading my posts about my religious beliefs- I beleive that nearly every Christian will be going to heaven (along with the Jewish folk). Thus- it will hardly be the 'exclusive" place so many other Christians think it will be. Satan will be very lonely, with just a few folks like Hitler to “play” with. Very likely those faithful to non-Christian faiths will go to their idea of heaven also. So- I am not “holier-than” other Christian- just more tolerant. So was JC.

PLD- Yes, perhaps i have given you reason to think that of me, and i am sorry. But as you can see by my post above- I feel that JC’s redemption was “non-exclusionary”- ie, all who want to will be saved. Thus- even I, a poor Christian, will be saved. I am sure that I have not been in any way “perfect”, and am hardly in line for canonization. Perhaps I will get a stern talking to also- who knows? I certainly deserve one for my myriad sins. Yes- I feel that many of those Christians who are intolerant are in some way “bad”- but I hardly count myself amoung the 'good". At least I am tolerant- except, i suppose, about intolerance itself. Those Christians who are intolerant will be saved also, however. It is just that THEY will be expecting to see only a few others, and all from their particular sect- while I expect things to be a lot less exclusive. Who knows, PL- maybe we’ll see you there also. You never know. I promise not to say “I told you so”. :smiley:

Hey now, I have the fish, but I think its cute, and means “I believe/support X” not “I hate christians”
That’s why there are alien fish, gefilte fish, doper fish, etc.

Someone I saw had the coolest car.
The xtian fish and darwin fish side by side.