There’s actually a lot of support in the far right for the nationalist movements in Easter Europe. Take a look at how they react to Viktor Orbán from Hungary. They like the fact that he’s a far-right nationalist. Putin isn’t so different.
Mostly this.
There are also Trumpists who echo their Leader’s admiration for Russia.
Is this really a thing? I know about Russian troll farms, but haven’t heard about the American equivalent. I understanding paying some unemployed Russians a few rubles to do this sort of work, but its hard to imagine the return on investment in hiring computer literate, native English speaking Americans to sit around all day sniping at people on Breitbart.
Part of I think also is the following scenario. You have a far right tribal Republican who doesn’t have an opinion one way or another about Russia, who then goes to a right wing social media site. This site is infiltrated by Ruassian trolls who along with their far right conspiracy theories bent on destabilizing the US is also sending out Anti-Ukraine conspiracies. He from reading the sentiments repeatedly on the board he reaches the conclusion that Pro-Russian Anti-Ukrainian sentiment is a far right Republican value. At this point the tribalist group think sets in and he becomes a pro-Russian true believer immune to any evidence to the contrary. These people go to other social media sites and perpetuate/strengthen the link between pro-Russian sentiment and conservatism until it finds its way to Breitbart.
This sounds about right.
The folks that get caught up in anti-vax conspiracy garbage often get funnelled into the alt-right nut-o-sphere that includes adulation of Russia. Trump lovers get moved into the Anti-vax sphere. Russia lovers get exposed to Trump love and Anti-vax.
And they all get a healthy dose of Q-anon lunacy. Eventually, they all blend together into a rich stew of crazy shit.
Admittedly I had certain members of the Republican Party in Congress in mind…
No it’s not.
The closest is this:
But not the same thing; those were just more Americans duped by Russians posing as Americans.
But no, no evidence of Americans knowingly working on behalf of Russia to spread misinformation (which would lead to serious espionage charges and be big news). It’s not just the right that makes up conspiracy theories without evidence. (Though they do it a lot more.)
Lots of Useful Idiots who do it for free though.
Yeah, not a paid shill, just a patsy.
I was just surprised that they combine support of the Russian invasion in with their other senile positions. Most of these types don’t seem like they could find Ukraine on a map, yet somehow they have opinions on the last 20 years of Ukrainian election history.
Paid Russian trolls just seems too simplistic to explain the volume. Your explanation above does a better job of explaining it.
Once someone goes down the conspiracy theory rat-hole, it’s fairly easy to get them into another whacky conspiracy. “Anti vax, stop the steal, grooming…. Love of Russia is an easy move after this.
All it takes is one troll posting something to the right place, and you have tons of people who will repeat it for free in all idiotic sincerity. That’s all it takes.
I have seen many conservatives (even posters in the dope) falling for the latest talking points coming from Russia that the energy crisis in Europe will be terrible in the winter and also thanks to silly environmentalist moves in Europe. (Russia being against changes that make Europe less dependable of their oil and gas is also a feature of the propaganda)
It comes with a constant implication that therefore Ukraine (and Europe) should negotiate an end to the war, benefiting Russia more.
The problem with that propaganda is that many European dopers have pointed already that while there are problems in Europe, that thanks to the efforts from many European nations to be ready, that crisis is not as bad as many propaganda sources have tried to make it.
My office, along with thousands of others, has turned down the heat in the building. It’s definitely colder than is comfortable.
So I deal with this crisis by wearing a layer of thermal underwear against my skin, and putting on a hat, scarf, and coat at my desk.
Fuck Russia.
Literally wearing a fuzzy robe while working from home.
I noticed that comments on political aspects of involved countries in the Ukraine war are being banned in the main Ukraine war thread.
This seems wrong to me. The political aspects of involved countries changing can have dramatic effects on the war. The thread allows tons of quite spurious even flippant stuff, but censors political aspects?
I check the thread daily. Mostly it has little useful information. But I found the introduction of political variations in countries associated with the war to be an interesting and valid consideration. These things can very directly affect things on the battlefield and on many other levels.
I feel the moderators are making a mistake to exclude it. I know politics can lead to many hijacks and rabbit holes off the subject. But I feel it is valid to speculate on the effects changing party dominance in many countries can have on the situation. It will require careful moderation, but not blanket elimination.
Give it a rest, comrade.
A stunningly in depth reply. You have skilfully dismantled all my points. Obviously the political makeup of all the countries directly or indirectly involved in this conflict are of no consequence. If a major shift in the political dominance of one or all occurs, it will have no effect at all.
Thank you for your brilliant reply. I stand corrected. Governments are of no consequence. Political leanings of them are inconsequential. Who they are aligned with is meaningless.
Thank you for enlightening me Comrade.
Greece is considering giving Ukraine some of their Russian S300 air defence systems to Ukraine.
I am guessing this is a government decision. Greece has had quite good relations with Russia. Having the S300 being an obvious indication of this. I think that if they do this. It might have some effect in the war. It will likely also have some effect on their relations with Russia going forward. Greece and Turkiye have some friction recently. Turkiye is currently increasing it’s collaboration with Russia. In spite of it being a member of NATO. The disputes between Greece and Turkiye might be affected if Russia is displeased with Greece giving out S300 systems. Actions by current governments, and actions by future governments can have far reaching effect on the war in Ukraine and relations between governments going forward. Decisions by governments of current or near future governments can cause immediate near term effect in Ukraine as well as other areas, and future effects rippling outward in military and economic areas.
Things given or withheld from this war for various reasons can have various effect. The decisions are very political in many cases.