Bullshit Russian propaganda. I don’t know how you expect anyone to believe such lies. Putin and his stooges are proven liars, over and over again. And you parrot those lies as if it’s not obvious for everyone to see.
Fuck you, lying troll.
Thank you for your informative and inciteful reply. 
You want me to do research to back up your claims?
That’s not how shit works, komrade.
On me being an actual paid propagandist.
I suspect on basis of volume and content I would have been laid off long ago. This board is the only place I bother to discuss this issue. And take some long breaks at that. I read the other thread daily. It does have some good information. But too much fluff too. I poke fun at it being a breaking news thread due to all the fluff. And what is not discussed. But a lot of great technical detail is there.
I am not really cheering either side on. I think the whole thing is a horrible mess. Death and destruction that could have been avoided by multiple sides being more reasonable.
I look at it in a technical way. Currently and leading up to it. The whole thing is wrong. Most if not all wars are. When Ukraine regains territory or makes a good hit on Russian forces, I applaud that. Not in the overall morals of the situation, but militarily. Similar with Russia. Same thing on political and economic realms. Each side makes wins and losses. I can admire the skills that accomplished that. But wish the whole thing was just not happening at all. These wins and losses by the various sides ultimately seem pyrrhic to me. But I have to keep watching and digging into the why and how of what is happening. I feel both sides have legitimate or at least what they feel are legitimate reasons for this C… F… But they did not get together and seriously figure out how to avoid the whole mess, when they could have.
I look at the reality on the ground and in the unreal political realm and opine on what I think it is. Maybe after all this stupid amount of loss is over, there might be some long term gain after. I hope.
Or Crimea, for the same reason.
As it is impossible for China to invade Taiwan? Elaborate. I think I know the strawman route you are going…
I did include the concept of civil war in the post i think.
No, I don’t think you do, but perhaps I WAS being a bit more oblique than you’re equipped to handle. I’ll just say it plainly: Crimea is part of Ukraine, full stop.
There’s no actual evidence that anything close to the majority of the Donetsk region wants to separate from Ukraine, and plenty of evidence that the majority wants to remain in Ukraine. You’re just spouting bullshit Putin propaganda.
To be fair, I don’t think you’re a paid propagandist.
I think you just do that sort of work as a hobby, you admire what Russia does and want to promote it in your spare time.
It’s like the difference between working as a hit man or being a serial killer.
Further than that, almost half the people of Donetsk Oblast are not in the area controlled by the so-called DPR, and are fighting tooth and nail to stay that way.
And of course back in 2014 the so-called separatist fighters were made up mostly of Russian soldiers, the ‘little green men.’ The myth of separatist sentiment in the Donbas is almost entirely the invention of Russian propaganda, although there is of course a little sincere collaboration going on as well. Largely by the oligarch class who viewed the move away from being cozy with Russia following the Maidan Revolution as a threat to the grift coming in from corruption.
Even the claims of separatist sentiment in Crimea are propaganda bullshit. Here, for example, is convicted war criminal Igor Girkin (for the downing of MH17) admitting that the local authorities in Crimea “supported” the annexation because his militias rounded them up and had them vote at gunpoint:
Please don’t refrain. I’m just dying waiting to hear your tales of Ukraine arresting tens of thousands of anti-war protesters, stealing 12 year olds from their parents for refusing to draw their required Z propaganda in school art class, war crimes committed by them in their invasion of Russia, Stalinist pro-Z rallies where workers are required to attend by their workplace or face ‘repercussions’, the warrant for Zelensky’s arrest for war crime by the ICC, Zelensky political opponents having the strange habit of throwing themselves out of windows or being poisoned by nerve agents, the Ukraine’s decent into authoritarianism, its use of convicted murderers and rapists as ‘soldiers’ by a mercenary company in exchange for their extralegal pardon for their crimes should they somehow survive their 6 month long stint as absolute cannon fodder, extralegal executions of said ‘soldiers’ by their mercenary company leaders by bludgeoning them in the skull with a sledgehammer for surrendering, the forced deportation of Russian citizens from Russian cities obliterated by the Ukrainians to part unknown inside Ukraine…
I could go on for pages, you’d still have nothing to retort with, and either way a grand total of zero people here would believe any of the bullshit you spew, so kindly take your ‘refraining’ and shove it up your ass.
“I will refrain from posting any evidence because I am a lying asshole moron.”
Hmmmm. I note that this “14,000 shells a month” is now pretty much a direct Putin quote. It seems that friend Kedikat is getting talking points directly from the Kremlin.
That’s actually a widely reported number of the pre-war production capacity - if Putin used it he probably plucked it out of the Washington Post or something. The current published goals per that article (also widely published) is to have that ramped up to 30,000/month in the next few months, with a longer-term aspiration goal of 90,000/month.
14,000÷30≅467 units per day
467÷24≅19 units per hour
19÷60≅.32 units per minute
1÷.32≅3 minutes per input
The Soviet Union spent decades swallowing up its neighbors, installing puppet regimes and threatening Western countries. No NATO country ever invaded Soviet-claimed territory or posed a threat to do so.
Speaking of Germany, Kedikat’s claims of “encroachment” are reminiscent of Kaiser Wilhelm II’s stooges bellowing about “encirclement” before WWI, when the countries they threatened created alliances for self-defense.
You are nekulturny, comrade.
What I don’t understand is how does someone who was unemployed twice in the 1990s become president of Russia in less than four years, and then by 2014 is in the leaders of Forbes magazine list of the World’s Most Powerful People. It would connect easier if he was born and feed with a gold spoon from birth like …let’s say Donald Trump then I could get it. In Putins case luck & timing has propelled his boat.
Yet with all the wealth around Putin and his associates the average Russians health program is horrible, Russian women die of cardiovascular disease at a rate five times greater than women in Europe. The life expectancy of a 15-year-old male in Russia is three years less than that of a male his age in Haiti. During Putins time line of running the world’s largest gas station that had seen a tenfold increase in the price of oil between 1999 and 2014 one would think the folks in Russia would have it made and in par with other countries like the oil nations in the Arab league? …Not! How does he maintain his position as leader let alone living & breathing on the green side of Russian grass ?
By running the lying propaganda machine effectively. All Russians know is that they are doing better than anyone else, and the evil Western nations are planning to attack them soon.
See North Korea for another example.
Those areas are Ukrainian territory. They are entitled to enter them as they see fit, even if Russian troops - and that’s what they were - intended to oppose them.