I’d say that human rights are being violated in Russia, but I don’t know that the people there have any “rights” aside from “right to worship Putin”.
I refrain from posting what Ukraine is doing to many of it’s citizens as a retort. But they have also instituted harsh laws and punishments for people critical of the war and government actions/strategies. It is a somewhat common thing to happen in times of war. Government tightens up and cracks down. Unfortunately individuals will often take retribution into their own hands as well. Which can be even uglier.
Even countries not involved have instituted some laws ( milder in punishment and lesser in scope ) to suppress criticism of the Ukraine conflict, for or against whatever side they support. Again, it is a thing that happens in such situations.
Overall I disagree with laws being created or changed to suit some aim at the moment. Also overall, Russia has always had stricter, suppressive laws against dissent. For a while this seemed to be lessening. Now it is increasing again. They also are embedding narrow social behaviour into laws. After the Maidan coup Ukraine also started to do such things. Countries undergoing stress from without and within often react in ways that setback their social and justice progress. Maybe it is helpful at the time, but I doubt it. Afterwards it can take far to long to undo.
Hey there, Viktor Yanukovych! Suddenly all your posts make sense.
A bunch of words conveying zero information. Just double-speak gibberish.
There is no defense of Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. Until you can repeat that sentiment, nothing you say here comes across as anything but pro-Putin propaganda.
Yes, you refrain. Why is that? It’s not because of those laws themselves-- Here in the US, you’re allowed to criticize any nation you want to. Is it just because actually saying what they’re doing would sound a lot less ominous than what you’re vaguely implying?
There is no defence of country X invasion of country Y. Substitute so very many countries as X and Y. Unless of course you are actually in charge of country X. In this case, at least the X and Y share an actual border. Many Y’s since WW2 are thousands of miles away from X. X being magnitudes more powerful and under no military threat from Y.
Russia spent decades voicing their national security concerns regarding the encroachment of a military coalition of countries specifically created in opposition to Russia/USSR from growing ever closer. They used the same crossing Red Line definitions that others have used to fire up/increase military operations.
That being said. I still wish Russia could have found some other option than war.
Oh, I forgot. The Ukraine military was on the verge of fully invading the two Donbass breakaway areas. Which would have been a massacre of military and civilians in those areas. Why do you think the Ukraine military best defence lines are where they are? They were already fighting their own citizens who wished to exit the mess after Maidan. Most of those citizens were now considered enemies/Orcs.
So many people look at this situation as if it started only when Russian military " officially " started the “SMO”. Invaded for no reason… The reasons often are more fully revealed quite some time after the probably useless war is over.
Go fuck yourself, you lying piece of shit Russian shill.
Well you could bother to look up all the things that Ukraine did even before Russia invaded. Shutting down media services. Banning political parties. Lately trying to ban religious affiliation and practices. ( Russian Othodox )
As I mentioned. I like the replies to my posts.
But of course when I do it. It is what aboutism.
Probably because the only evidence you have of this is from conspiracy theory web sites and Russian propaganda sites. I was curious myself and tried finding any stories of this sort of thing, and found nothing.
Dictatorships do. Other countries don’t. At least, not anywhere near what Russia does.
Which ones? Again, it sounds like yet again you’re just making shit up, or assuming that something is happening that isn’t. Or getting this from bad sources again. In other words, the same crap that prompted this thread and banned you from another thread.
You are a purveyor of garbage and refuse to educate yourself on anything real. Hence why people here at a forum for a web site that fights ignorance don’t like you very much.
Everything you say is a lie. I don’t believe a single word, and I’m not alone.
You’re criticising them for protecting their own country from insurrectionists?
Gosh, I wish we in the U.S. could understand that. I mean Ukraine fighting to keep their country in one piece would be like if a bunch of U.S. states decided to break away.
You do realize, of course, that it’s logically impossible for Ukraine to invade Donbass?
OK, Here’s a Google search for "What did Ukraine do before Russia invaded?. How far do I have to scroll down in the results to find the things you’re talking about?
Well, I mean technically every night I invade my bedroom to go to sleep, so in that way it would be an invasion.
If by “invade” you mean “enter part of your home”.
Good! As they should have. I’ll note that polling after the Crimea annexation indicated that while a majority were interested in more internal autonomy (i.e. either a de facto confederacy or a more federal system like the United States), only ~18-30% of the populace of the Donbas region were interested in seceding/remerging with Russia before the violence started. The separatists were a loud armed minority, backed by a powerful neighboring state intent on undermining Ukraine. Ukraine had every right and moral imperative to put down that rebellion.
Crimea was a thornier issue, but there was never a chance there for a peaceful resolution because Russia just decided to unilaterally invade.
Took maybe one minute to find.
But it is very interesting how google will present a huge mass of “Russia…” Even though you type in Ukraine as the first word in the search. So it can take some time in most cases to get to what you are actually looking for.
This is less disruptive to the lives of all involved of course. But is just one example.
Again. Do your own homework.
So you think a fine is in any way comparable to throwing someone in prison, taking their child, and forcing the child to be reeducated under government custody?!
See, what Germany did is a violation of what I’d consider to be freedom of speech. (Their strict laws are a sort of penance and reaction to their own past that led to the rise of the Nazi Party, and to me they go overboard, but I view things with an American perspective of course.) What Russia does is a complete violation of human rights. But to you, eh, it’s all the same.
As far as your “homework”, I give it a D-.
A good reply.
At first the Donbas regions were hoping to remain Ukraine, but with some autonomy from some laws that Ukraine was passing regarding language and ethnic identity issues. Many countries have such situations that they happily or grudgingly adapt to. The two would have essentially become similar to what Crimea already was. Semi autonomous, but still Ukrainian. As time passed they saw and then experienced more of a military buildup along their borders. As the pressure built, they began asking for more direct help from Russia ( the help was already surreptitiously happening on smaller scale ). Even before the Russian invasion they were being attacked by Ukraine. I think the number of casualties was 14000 before Russia invaded? So a civil war was in progress. But it seems to me personally that it could have been resolved well for all involved.
For quite some time Putin was publicly saying it was for Ukraine to resolve internally. I am sure he was also giving the OK for support. But in muted amount. But the Ukraine military buildup along the border lines showed a large military incursion was imminent. That was a convenient, but also real, excuse for Russia to go in full military. Unfortunately.
Look harder.