Kedikat just pawn in game of life.
Shameful confession time: I have been checking the Pit for weeks now, hoping this thread would be revived.
This war is horrible, stupid, and should never have happened. Thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of people are dead because of a megalomaniac’s delusions of grandeur and lebensraum.
Even granting all that, I get a modicum of enjoyment from seeing Kedikat attempt to sow doubt and discord, and how thoroughly and effectively the talking points are eviscerated and debunked. It’s a message-board analogue to the stupidity that created this war in the first place.
Meanwhile, in freedom loving Russia:
You’re welcome 
So to actually provide some breaking and old but of course ignored news.
Bakhmut is functionally encircled. But it seems that Ukraine forces are possibly still being reinforced. Though to do this they must take losses while travelling through territory under heavy Russian fire control in all places by long range artillery and in other places by even shorter ranged fire. Some but not all western military advisors recommend a withdrawal. Of course this is much easier to recommend by outsiders. Ceding your own territory is terribly difficult on many levels. But unless there is a very successful counter offensive to push back at least one side of the encirclement. The situation looks to get slowly worse. Wagner forces seem to go in hard. While regular Russian forces supply longer range fire support and logistics to them. I fear that the point is nearing, where regular Russian forces may be brought in more fully. Not in the city area, but to completely close the pincers.
Ukraine forces are being strung out in three ways. The Bakhmut situation. The Avdeevka encroaching encirclement and trying to marshal resources for a possible strike to isolate Crimea.
Avdeevka is undergoing encirclement as well. It is also a heavily fortified site. It has been used as a forward artillery attack site into Donetsk. So there may be a fairly large number of artillery pieces there, with required support depots. To keep the position with that intent, is to risk a capture of some maybe large amount of artillery and ammunition. I would hope that if Ukraine tries to keep the position, they at least evacuate the artillery and support outside the pincers, so they are not lost if the encirclement and defeat of the position occurs. Retreat, regroup.
Bakhmut and Avdeevka are important positions. I feel Avdeevka a bit less so. But I feel Ukraine is losing too much to hold them, if they are at the same time trying to marshal forces for an offensive elsewhere.
Of course what forces are being marshalled is a mystery. We all see the lists of materiel being provided by outside sources. But of course the publicized lists are not fully accurate. Much is not revealed. Ukraine forces may have a very lot up their sleeves. What portion of that is Russia aware of?
Russia has put a lot of in depth defensive construction behind their lines in the south. At a guess? Or because they have intel of significant force possibly coming at them?
From information available, it seems Ukraine is in fairly dire straits. But what is really out there may be a real headache for Russia.
Who knows…
By the way. I also enjoy the replies to my posts here.
The number of reported washing machine thefts by Russian troops has fallen dramatically. They must be losing.
Sounds like they’re going.
Avdeevka is more important than Bakhmut. Significantly so. Ukrainian presence in Avdeevka significantly complicates the use of Donetsk city as a logistics hub. Bakhmut is in the middle of a lot of nothing. Neither is particularly critical, however. If either or even both are lost, there are defensible lines behind them.
The official Ukrainian position wrt to Bakhmut is that they’re inflicting disproportionate losses on the Russians, and in particular on the Russians’ most effective offensive formations. The is a very credible argument to be made that ever since the Russians took Yahidne and Berkhivka and put the road through Khromove under threat that the loss ratio hasn’t been sufficiently in favour of Ukraine to justify maintaining their positions in the city. That said, the ‘pincers,’ such as they are, have not really been closing for the past week or so. It is plausible that the Russians have completely run out of offensive steam - not terribly surprising considering their strategy involved waves of suicidal infantry assaults.
Avdeevka is probably in less danger than Bakhmut.
Ukraine as a whole is in dire straits given that a nation several times their size has invaded them and currently occupy significant portions of their territory. Ukraine is not currently in dire straits at all with regards to the current movement of the front lines.
“Functionally encircled” means nothing can get in or out, even if Russian forces aren’t literally surrounding Bakhmut.
Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut have tanks, artillery, ammo, food, fuel, and are still inflicting heavy losses on Russian forces. The wounded are still being evacuated.
The president of Ukraine visited Bakhmut yesterday.
Russian leadership has acknowledged that their forces will be on the defensive soon.
So how can Bakhmut be “functionality encircled”?
Just like the fat guy is functionally pregnant … its similar, not quite, a bit or somewhat along the line, but ultimately NOT encircled or pregnant.
What Komrad, no comment on the FSB detaining a 12 year old girl and interrogating her at her school for drawing a picture with the words ‘no to war’ and ‘glory to Ukraine’ along with Russian missiles heading towards a Ukrainian woman and child when her class assignment was to make a drawing about the war special military operation that was sufficiently Z? No words on how she’s been sent to an orphanage, and the Russian government is starting proceedings to permanently terminate her single father’s parental rights (and the mother too while they’re at it, who isn’t even in the scene just so she doesn’t get any wild ideas about raising her daughter) while he’s sitting in jail awaiting his ‘trial’ where he is likely to be sent to prison for three years for the crime of not raising a sufficiently Z child discrediting the Russian Army via his daughter’s drawings?
I don’t like the increasingly tough laws Russia is imposing on criticism of the war or government. Freedom of speech is important. It is one of many things I feel the Russian government is wrong about.
Actually you love every single thing that’s happening there. What bothers you is the interruption of your orgiastic posting here when Ukraine’s soldiers along with the rest of their citizenry have any success against Russia’s megalomaniac’s insane war. Your solution, of course, is “Ukraine roll over and die”.
That is interesting. On many levels. Wagner forces seemed to have been the most effective force in any urban warfare that has happened. Russia being very timid to take those kinds of losses to the regular forces. Without Wagner I think any Russian advances would be even slower than they have been.More retreats.
What goes on behind the scenes politically must be tense. I wonder if Wagner gets all it’s funding from Russian sources, or if for instance in Africa, some other actors pay them as mercenaries for their purposes. Do they freelance?
There’s the key line there (I mean, other than the fact that it’s utter bullshit - Russia has been throwing away its regular forces like they’re used toilet paper). According to the Russians, an army has to be willing for as many of its own troops to die as possible, and to do otherwise is a form of weakness. Other, smarter countries know that the point of war is to kill the enemy, while doing your utmost to limit your own casualties, but not the Russians. Their whole strategy is to slaughter as many as their own soldiers as possible; if any of the enemy happen to die, bonus! Idiots.
Boy, it’s sure a good thing you’re on our side, Komrad! A tepid ‘freedom of speech is important’ response to that story sure shows them! The Kremlin must be shaking in their boots at your words, going straight for the low hanging fruit for the free speech angle, and eviscerating them with the comment on how it’s ‘important’. Someone not so skilled at the art of concealing their Russian bot farm sympathies and/or origin might have questioned how Stalinist it is to take someone’s child away from them to be raised by the state for failing to raise them with sufficient pro-Z zeal, or questioned why Soviet Russian school children are being given assignments to draw Z propaganda in class, but not you!
As Patton probably said (but not an original thought, apparently (but he probably gets US credit for popularizing it?))
If you look at things from the point of view of a Russian troll asshole moron like our friend in this thread, I guess it is.
It’s called “operational encirclement” and it means that all lines of communication are under enemy fire control. That is, you can’t get in or out without exposing yourself to being shot at. Bakhmut has been on the verge of this but I think the situation is slightly improved at the moment.