In what possible way is my question propaganda?
That’s just factually incorrect. I tried to be nice and gave you some info.
I wonder how effective a grenade would be if they could just stuff the explosive into a toilet paper core? [/s]
Of course that is not possible. I conducted a thorough thought experiment on the matter.
Komrad! Your question was in barely comprehensible English, full of factual errors, and made no mention of the fact that you were talking about ‘small’ drones.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, da Komrad?
Oh, and those grenades dropped from civilian drones that you think should be made lighter weight imagining that it will then give “more bang per munition”? That’s just you not understanding how munitions work again. Against personnel, that metal sheath around the explosive is what turns into fragments and wounds and kills people. Grenades are even sometimes broken down into offensive hand grenades and defensive hand grenades, with the offensive grenades having a smaller blast/fragmentation radius by design so they can be used offensively, while defensive grenades have a blast/fragmentation radius that is usually further than it can actually be thrown because it is intended to be used by troops defending in some form of cover, be it a trench or a bunker. Sometimes the only difference is a sheath added to the body of the grenade to increase the fragmentation.
RGD-33 grenade in a museum. (defensive)
Soviet RGD-33 hand grenade with fragmentation jacket (offensive)
And those grenades that get dropped on armored vehicles from civilian drones? Yeah, there’s a reason behind why they’re designed the way they are too. See, they’re designed to blow a hole through armored plate. Handily, by dropping them on the roof of an armored vehicle they’re blowing a hole through where the armor is weakest on armored vehicles.
Well, if you held the toilet paper core just so, and squatted with your knees apart like this,then it’s obviously possible.
Grenades have a timed fuse. Wasted in a drop munition. They have an arming pin with associated hardware. Wasted again. They are shaped to be convenient to throw. Maybe some waste there.
I do know they are a fragmentation weapon. Deleting the unneeded parts could decrease weight while still retaining fragmentation aspects.
I asked about munitions. Designing new munitions for drones. Obviously the in service military drones have specific munitions already.
If I were to build a small drone munition in my shop. Steel pipe. Cut threads on it to increase fragmentation. 3D print light weight end fins with a loop to attach to drop mechanism. Screw onto tail end of threaded pipe. Light weight printed nose to hold contact initiator. No timer involved, detonates on impact. Screw onto front end of pipe. Fill with explosive of choice or available. Metal end plug in pipe section tail. No need for upward blast. Outward and downward best. No handle, no lever, optimized for use.
It’s clear that you are shit at reading. If you read anything that people gave you, you’d know why this is stupid.
You’re a troll who asks people for information then you don’t read what people give you and instead just regurgitate your own bullshit ignorant opinions. That means you’re not being sincere. You’re here to proselytize, not have a discussion. You are full of crap.
You called this place a waste of time. You are the one who is a waste of time. You’re a deceitful pathetic asshole.
Gosh, I wonder why no military in the world issues pipe bombs? They must be really stupid.
It must take real effort to be this stupid. It’s almost like you channeled information from the wiki link you didn’t click on (or simply unconsciously remembered hearing about it early on in the war) and drew the exact wrong conclusion. See, Ukraine did/does 3D print lightweight fins to add onto the RKG-3 anti-tank grenade. Only they’re additions to stabilize it while falling, they didn’t remove any ‘unneeded parts’. Why? See, designers of munitions aren’t in the habit of adding parts on them that are unnecessary just for the hell of it. If it’s there, it has a purpose, numb nuts. From the link you didn’t read:
The grenade has also been seen in use by the Aerorozvidka unit of the Ukrainian military in the 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine. PJSC Mayak modifies the grenade[5] into the RKG 1600 by changing the fuze timing and adding 3D printed fins to stabilise its trajectory when dropped from a commercial drone.[6] Footage of these being used by Ukrainian forces against Russian forces has been published officially.[7][8] The estimated total cost is “less than $100”.[9]
And hey, look at that. They even changed the fuze timing. Which you clearly don’t understand the purpose of either if you think the fuze causes the grenade to detonate after a fixed amount of time has passed. See, the fuze arming just arms the grenade. Again from the link you didn’t read and instead just decided grenades have an ‘arming pin with associated hardware’:
The fuze in the handle activates the grenade. When the parachute deploys, its ejection throws a weight to the rear of the handle and disables the safety. When it impacts or stops, inertia causes the weight to fly forward and hit the spring-loaded firing pin, which activates the primer detonator in the base. This sets off the booster charge in the base of the shaped charge, detonating and enhancing the main charge. The sensitive fuze guarantees that the grenade will detonate if it impacts any target.
Oh and finally, since you ‘know’ grenades are fragmentation weapons, you clearly don’t understand how an anti-tank grenade works. See, when I said they’re designed to blow a hole through steel plate, I made the mistake of imagining you were smart enough to know that isn’t something you achieve via fragmentation. Fragmentation doesn’t punch a nice clean hole in armor plate dumbass. A shaped charge does that. This is getting tiresome, but again from the link you didn’t read:
Armour penetration depends on the model. The original RKG-3 used a basic shaped charge with a steel liner and could penetrate 125 millimetres (5 in) against Rolled Homogeneous Armor (RHA). The RKG-3M used a copper-lined shaped-charge warhead and had a penetration of 165 mm; the RKG-3T had an improved copper liner that had a penetration of 170 mm. The RKG-3EM has a larger warhead and boasts a penetration of 220 millimetres (8.7 in).
Wrong! Unneeded parts add to the cost, so the war profiteers make more money! [/s]
For fuck sakes I am not going to write novel length questions to try and anticipate every fucking nit pik you guys are going to try and make.
No, you’re going to write questions you really don’t want a factual answer for because you’re not really asking questions, you’re making statements and disguising them as questions. Then you’ll ignore the answers and draw your own conclusions that contradict all the cited information you were given in response to your “questions”.
As I said, you’re a deceitful, intentionally disruptive troll and you are not on this board for any kind of real discussion or other constructive reason. You’re here to stir shit up and get your jollies. Fuck off, pathetic loser.
I’m pasting this again in it’s entirety, because I could not have said it better myself, and I think it just needs to be repeated over and over again.
You might all also like to reread the vitriol included in the first answer to my question. I resisted just saying go fuck yourself to him.
As I often resist it.
But go fuck all yourselves.
Трахни свою мать семь раз.
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I thought it was OK in The BBQ Pit. ‘Fuck your mother seven times.’
You truly are the gift that just keeps on giving. That you imagine the flaws in your ‘question’ are being nitpicked (one word, dumbass) is utterly hilarious. Your understanding of the topic matter is so unbelievably poor and your delusion that you are being ‘nitpicked’ that you are the epitome of a useful phrase in English you might want to learn. Your thought process and understanding of the topic is so unbelievably poor that you are not even wrong.
Funny, I’ve never had any problems with telling you to fuck off troll, go fuck yourself, call you a dumbass or numb nuts. There’s a reason you are treated with vitriol here. Because you are a fucking Putin troll, numb nuts. Stop polluting this message board with your dumbassery and go fuck yourself.
Or don’t, stick around and explore your masochistic side some more. Honestly, you are so bad at shilling for Putin and such a complete dumbass that you aren’t even annoying. You are so completely and obviously wrong all the time that explaining exactly how you are wrong has all the joy of picking low hanging fruit. So low hanging that it’s in fact fallen off the tree and is rotting on the ground.
He has been unfailing polite to you rude American dopers!
I think the closest thing I can find to a Russian sea lion is the Steller version. I hear they sometimes crack and tell us to “go fuck all yourselves”.