In defense of "Baby, It's Cold Outside"

Every year (in recent years at least), there seems to be an increasingly loud chorus of PC voices insisting that this song is “rapey” and should, I dunno, be banned or something? Now, this year we’ve even got a PC replacement version penned by an earnest young singer and her boyfriend (whether he’s also a singer is more of an open question). Hoo boy.

Here’s the thing. The woman singing *is *being oppressed, but not by the man singing! He’s not the bad guy. She’s having a lovely time hanging out with him, listening to records, having a couple drinks, and presumably doing a little canoodling in front of that roaring fireplace. The oppression comes from a patriarchal society (remember, this was written in the 1940s) that restricts her agency as a young single woman. Her mother and father are worrying and pacing the floor. Her maiden aunt’s mind is vicious, her sister’s suspicious, and her brother will be “waiting at the door”. They, and the neighbors, “might think” that she’s promiscuous: “There’s bound to be talk tomorrow/At least there’ll be plenty implied”.

Those are the reasons she gives for why she “ought to say no, no, no”. But at no point does she say “I’m tired” or “I have to get up early” or even just “Thanks, but I’ve had enough for the night”. Instead, she says things like “I wish I knew how to break this spell” (not “I wish I knew how to make you understand I don’t want to”), “Well, maybe just a cigarette/half a drink more”, “The welcome has been so nice and warm”. And it’s implied she puts on another record for them to listen to while he pours that “half drink” she asked for.

Now that that’s off my chest, another frustration I have with this song is that I can’t seem to find the “definitive” version I have in my head. It may be that I’ve just invented it, because although I don’t have the editing chops to actually make this mashup, I can definitely imagine a Frankenstein combo of other versions that would do nicely.

As I see it, this is not just a song, it’s a scene for two actors. Basically, like something out of a Broadway musical that is half-sung, half-spoken, intended to advance a couple’s relationship, not just serve as a crowd-pleasing song-and-dance number. But of all the versions I’ve sampled, I’ve yet to find one where both the male and female parts are performed that way. There’s always at least one of them who’s trying to show off their virtuoso pipes and sing, sing, SING.

I like Sara Bareilles most of the time, but she is super guilty of this in her duet with Seth McFarlane. He plays it almost perfectly for his part, but while he’s hamming it up Broadway style and engaging with the lyrics with a wink and a grin, she’s off in a recording booth singing it phonetically as though it’s in a language she doesn’t know. He should have invited Idina Menzel to be his singing partner. Broadway pro that she is, she nails her side of the repartee, but this time it’s Michael Buble who just croons thoughtlessly.

Some versions wouldn’t provide me anything to “mash”. Ceelo Green and Christiina Aguilera meander melismatically with no attempt at acting at all. Rufus Wainright and Sharon Van Etten’s version is horrendously slow and uninflected, like someone drastically dropped the speed on the record player.

It’s not just newer versions: Dean Martin goes the other way into too uptempo and unvarying a swing, and having the female part be a chorus makes no sense. Ella Fitzgerald is spot on, but Louis Jordan messes it up.

So I guess ultimately, it’d be Seth McFarlane with either Idina Menzel or reanimated/sampled Ella Fitzgerald. Let’s make this happen!

I like that song, and the more the PC Patrol howls, the more I like it.

That said, I’d love to hear a role-reversal version, with some aging cougar trying to convince a young stud to stay the night with her.

Exactly. That’s the type of internal discussion a young woman had to go through back then. Sure, he’s trying to persuade her to stay, and the problem she has is “what will people think?”, not “no, I want to leave.”

Heresy! Dino is perfect. His is the Gold Standard of this song.
The song has gotten it;s share of defenders:

http://bigbutterandeggman.tumblr.com/post/154013148291/teachingwithcoffee-its-time-to-bring-an-end-to

Baby its cold out side…

Sure I know…

Baby its cold out side…

The beer’s kicking in…

Baby its cold outside…

LETS GO FUCK
Way too short for a song.
PS. The OP is right on point as far as I am concerned and well thought out and written.

But see, you say “*his *is…” and it’s not one person’s song, with a chorus part for backup singers. If anything, you could argue the *woman *is the lead.

Thanks!

You all know that the gold standard for the song is that scene from the movie Elf but are too ashamed to admit it.

For me, the gold standard is Barry Manilow and Pamela Holt.

I’ve always thought the version by Eydie Gorme and Steve Lawrence was pretty good and well-balanced.

Link me to any and all suggestions and I’ll try 'em! :slight_smile:

Couldn’t this go in the other current thread?

Here’s a version with Martina McBride where she takes Dino’s version, removes the female chorus and inserts herself into the duet perfectly. She doesn’t do any of the vocal gymnastics you complain about, and the two of them sound good together. This version is my gold standard.

Considering how many versions have been made in recent years (Lady Gaga, She & Him, etc.), some of which are acknowledged in the OP, I think the reports of this song’s demise have been greatly exaggerated. :dubious: Like many PC issues, the PC complainers are solidly outnumbered by people complaining about the PC complainers. :slight_smile:

I found that some of the anti-song comments in the other thread were the type of nonsense you don’t dare touch for fear of getting sucked down into their bizarro world of ahistorical ignorance.

The man and woman in this song are equals in this situation, decrying that segments of society deny their equality. Of course they are going to bed together. They both want to. They both know that they will. No coercion is involves. The drink contains alcohol, not roofies.

Yes, women generally were second-class citizens in that era and they were repressed in a multitude of ways. But this particular song isn’t an example of that. Just the opposite. It’s a refreshing rise above the cliches.

Yes, that’s my fave.

It’s better than the chorus, but I don’t agree that she doesn’t do any of the vocal gymnastics I complain about. She has a few lines that are just right, but more often she is still (understandably, being a singer) getting too tempted to, well, sing. So she extends the syllables a lot at the end of lines (“I simply must GOOOO/The answer is NOOOO”) when they should be (again, IMO) truncated instead, in a flirty conversational style. As I said, perfect for a Broadway pro like Menzel who is used to singing in this style (as well as others–she’s very versatile).

Except Menzel does everything you say McBride does, and way more gymnastics.

So which version do you prefer?

I like the Idina Menzel / Michael Buble version. Maybe it’s just because the kids in the video are quite talented. I know they changed a couple of verses to make it be oriented to the kids, but I don’t care. I love this video.

I haven’t found the one in my “head canon”, which may be apocryphal. But there have gotta be many versions I haven’t heard, so I’m still hopeful. Problem being, as I say, that there are way too many who just don’t even approach it as a playful scene in a romantic comedy instead of as a standard to croon.