The Master spoke on this topic decades ago.
FWIW, Madonna is the only celebrity I have ever had a sex dream about, and vivid at that. Mind you, that was in the 80’s.
I must confess that, until now, I had always regarded the story as a narrative about her father trying to shield her from the fact that her mother was pregnant, because whatever reasons made sense in Nebraska in 1920. Never occurred to me that it was to cover up a “socially awkward pregnancy,” so to speak.
Yeah, she was as hot as it gets back in the 80s. Not sure what to think about this internet thing that judges celebrities on how they look now instead of when they were on top of thier game. Some form of generational jealousy, I guess. Madonna definitely could have educated me.
Huh. This raises an interesting question, and after some searching of the memory banks, I think I have never had a sex dream about a celebrity – even though I’ve noticed many.
Stranger things have happened.
Well, I guess I’ve had enough internet for today.
I think that article, even with its caveats, places outsized faith in the accuracy of twentieth-century anthropologists. I’m having trouble finding a cite, but there’s been a fair amount of work looking at paternalistic and racist beliefs among anthropologists that, coupled with language barriers and cultural taboos and mistrust of outsiders, led to a fair amount of absolute twaddle getting published, in which anthropologists took statements hyper-literally or out of context.
I’m 71, so my olden days were the 60’s. Not one person got married w/o having sex first back then. Pre-herpes, pre-HIV, pre-all that. It was the wild west. That sort of thing ended a lot of marriages though.
If some stranger started asking me weird awkward questions about where babies come from, i might very well tell him about storks and cabbage patches.
The problem with the internet is the very small distance between “just enough” and “way too much”. And the lack of a guardrail or obvious warning sign there.
Two of my best friends are a married couple, who grew up in Dublin, Ireland in the 1970s and 1980s. They were both virgins when they got married (around 1988, I think), and I don’t think that either of them had been exposed to much (if anything) in the way of porn or adult fiction. So, on their wedding night, while they understood the concept behind “tab A into slot B,” they had a bit of a time figuring out exactly how to make things actually mesh, as it were.
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I think we’re getting pretty far afield of the question, here, and talk about what celebrities we are or have been sexually attracted to isn’t a good fit for Factual Questions.
There was never any “pre-herpes”. Pretty much everyone who’s had sex outside of a mutually-monogamous relationship has herpes, and that’s probably been true for all of history. It might have been before there was widespread recognition of herpes, but that speaks to a lack of adequate sex education.
From “History of the World Part 1” or “Life of Brian”, I forget. A newlywed couple goes into their tent. Some frustrating sounds ensue. One of them says, “Just do as the sheep do”. Pregnant pause then, “Baaaaaa”
Yeah, I would think even with two people of reproductive age with zero knowledge about doing the deed, laying in bed together, will eventually have hormones take charge, and the mechanics will somehow become very evident. I mean, other animals presumably are able to sort things out without prior knowledge.
I had a girlfriend way back when who was a virgin. I was not far removed from virginity myself. She wanted to have sex, and we tried, but couldn’t get it to work. I won’t go into details. Looking back, I’m sure I’ve learned enough in the 40+ years since that would have been helpful that evening.
They did eventually get there, but they both look back at the awkward start of that evening with amusement.
Years ago my wife and I were dealing with infertility. One of the questions on the patient registration form for our first visit with the doctor was “Do you ejaculate into the vagina?”
Around the turn of the millenium, one of the mainstream news magazines (U.S. News?) did an article featuring centarians’ memories of the distant past. One lady remembered that when she got married, she had no knowledge of the mechanics of intercourse: “I remember thinking it had something to do with the navel”.
And in one of Bill Bryson’s books, he quoted a woman who on her wedding night during the Victorian era asked her mother about sex. Her mother replied, “Haven’t you seen statues and paintings in museums? Men and women are different!” That was the extent of her sex education.