Me too, but there’s no evidence of force in this case.
I’m sure you’ve been through the evidence presented in the case with a fine toothed comb, but it seems that the good judge presiding over disagreed with you.
I saw a video like that with Tom Arnold and Roseanne Barr. If the government is really serious about promoting sexual abstinence, I think I can offer a useful suggestion.
The question is who are you to decide what another person has right to be disturbed by?
I have no doubt that my wife woud be offended and emotionally hurt if I tried to drag her into a place like that asked her to perform in front of strangers. It would make her sick that I disrespected her so much and it might very well mean the end of my marriage.
The fact that her husband is pressuring her to have sex in public, and ridiculing her for not wanting to?
Jesus Christ, milroyj, after this, I hope you never make a remark about Bill Clinton’s little indiscretion.
As long as they’re CONSENTING. This time, it wasn’t consentual. If she had wanted to do it, that’s different. (Still oogy to me, but hey, whatever). But she didn’t want to, and her husband tried to force her, despite her being uncomfortable, and then making fun her because she cried?
It should be obvious to MilroyJ that the wife’s alleged psychological distress doesn’t necessarily stem from some weirdly decontextualized witnessing of an orgy (or two, or three, or four) per se, but being dragged (or hoodwinked) *against her will * into the scene of said orgy by her husband. [And incidentally, many women in long-term relationships want nothing to do with their S.O.'s interest in porn, so the mere “witnessing strangers having sex” aspect may well be significantly distressing even when in an entirely private context.] In such situations, the put-upon spouse may well feel violated, even if the sexual activity is strictly vicarious and never involves that person’s body. In this case, the violation involves not just her witnessing strangers having sex, but their witnessing her at that place. Put it this way: how would you care to be dragged by your spouse to, say, a convention of “furries”? Even if you refused to don the suit and join the fun, you’d probably find the scene distressing enough, and fret about how their seeing you in their milleu might come back to haunt you at some point.
And lest we forget, marriage vows generally imply or state that each spouse will remain sexually loyal to the other, and that this is not merely a social convention or custom but – insofar as adultery is grounds for divorce (and in some states remains illegal in statute, if never prosecuted) – a legal matter and can strengthen the aggrieved’s case for divorce and alimony. So a man bullying his wife to commit public adultery against her will isn’t simply a private, sexual foible; it’s a publicly aired act of bullying (if not necessarily “coercion” per se), subject to potential legal and financial repercussions.
Ryan’s alleged actions were never simply about sex, but about his exercising undue control over his wife, his abuse of power and reneging on established expectations as a husband, his lack of empathy and decency as a human being, and ultimately his hypocrisy and dishonesty as a politician.
Smells can also provoke profound emotional reactions. It is bad enough seeing sex you don’t want to see, but actually going to these places means you get the full effect; they must reek of sex.
Let’s not forget that Jeri is quite well known, so whatever she does getting out is a distinct possibility. As for being sick, perhaps the idea that her husband lied to her and was pressuring her again had something to do with it also.
How lovely that some people will justify any sort of sickness as long as a Republican is doing it.
Not to pass judgment on others’ sexual perversions, because I’m a bit of a deve myself, but seriously. It’s not enough to be married to Jeri Ryan and, presumably, having sex with her? You also gotta try to get her to lose weight and have sex with you in public? I mean, I’m a gay man, and even I sorta wanna have sex with Jeri Ryan - she’s hot as hell. Who needs more than that?
If it were me, and my husband took me to a Paris club that from the outside might look like a fancy restaurant or nightclub, and after entering I saw other people having sex, I’d feel physically ill too. Not because people are having sex, but
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it would be immediately obvious what kind of place it was
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it would be immediately obvious why my husband had brought me there and what he would want me to do
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the realization that he brought me there under false pretenses
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knowing that he’s not going to want to take no for an answer, therefore a fight will ensue when I refuse
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all that would have just ruined an otherwise nice trip to Paris
My hysterics would have nothing to do with “the sight of people having sex” as such.
Luckily, I have a caring, compassionate husband who would never put me through such mental abuse.
Re-read the last paragraph of The Scrivener’s excellent post for reasons as to why Ryan’s actions make him unsuitable for office. It’s not the sex, it’s how he treated his wife and what those actions say about him as a human being that makes him unsuitable.
I may be able to shed a tiny bit of light on this subject, having, purely through accident, may I stress, on one occasion stumbled into one of the clubs (the late, lamendted Vault in NYC.) mentioned.
I have heard, incidentally, that a few weeks prior to my adventitious attendance, Tommy Lee and Pam (yes, this harks back to a happier era…) were themselves the centerpiece of a bit of frivolity.
Possibly Jeri’s discomfiture was related to the inevitable crowd of “volunteers” who instantly cluster around any good looking woman (and, let’s face it, we’re talkin’ prime pussy here…)whose boyfriend/escort/hubby seems inclined to enlist assistance in his labors, cause as we all know women have more places then we have things, (y’feel me?). The signt of these would be “tops” producing good imitations of Klingons in the thrall of their rather over the top mating rituals might well give seven of nine pause.
(the best line I’ve heard is from atrios"seven of nine guys would watch")