In retrospect, which is better: X-Files or Buffy?

So I’ve been reading a lot of televisionwithoutpity.com recently, especially the Buffy and X-files bits and got to wondering which was best. I was a big fan of the X-files back of the day, then got addicted to watching a load of Buffy when X-files fell off a bit. They’re both big shows – probably the biggest shows of the 90s/00s, in terms of critical and popular acclaim and influence on other shows, so I thought it might be fun to debate this for a while.

My opinion? I think when all’s said and done, X-files is better. Yeah the mytharc went crazy and the last two seasons really suffered from a lack of Mulder and not much Scully, but when it was good it was ace, and when it was bad… eh, at least they tried, and usually included cool sets or nice acting or an interesting premise, even if it didn’t work or was dull. The series seems also to have improved over time, whereas Buffy seems to have – I dunno – been a bit undermined by its last two dreadful seasons.

What do you think?

I think Buffy was better, in retrospect. I think X-files’ last 2 seasons did way more damage to the series that Buffy’s last 2 seasons. It seemed to me, that Chris Carter got overwhelmed by his own creation, and didn’t know where to go with it. Joss Whedon, while not as involved as he could/should have been, at least knew generally where he wanted to go. Season 7 of Buffy wasn’t as well put together as the first 6, but it was still better than anything else (well, anything non-Whedon) on TV, including IMO, the X-files.

Don’t get me wrong though, the X-files was still a great show, but not great enough to remove Joss Whedon from the god-like throne I’ve put him on in my head.

Buffy. The X-Files’ conceit got old fast. Buffy stayed good to the end (yes, I do like the last seasons, and “Once More with Feeling” was one of the highlights of the entire series.)

I never saw Buffy, but I do think that the best episodes of X-Files (Clyde Bruckman’s Last Repose, Jose Chuing’s from Outer Space leap immediately to mind) are some of the best television ever made. But it disd fall hard and fast after season 5 or 6.

Gotta go with Buffy on this one. X-files was great show, but to me it just didnt have those warm moments that Buffy did.

I was watching a re-run last night (season3) and Wesley tells them to sync their watches and they all hold up empty wrists. That scene just makes me laugh and smile all at once!

I dunno. I started watching TXF before BtVS, but I’d have to say Buffy wins. I can still watch old Buffy episodes, but (with the exception of Jose Chung… and several others) I just cringe and change the channel when Xfiles episodes come on.

Well, the X-Files was my first love, but Buffy not only had my devotion, but also spun off Angel. I still enjoy both shows a great deal and watch them all the time. But the X-Files never delighted me the way Buffy did. So I’m going to say Buffy.

Have to say Buffy. The X-Files was crippled by its fundamental premise that Mulder would be the True Believer and Scully would be the eternal skeptic. This meant that no case could ever be resolved, because then Scully would have to believe in the supernatural.

Whereas in Buffy, there was no doubt about the fundamental premise and they could just run with it.

And X-Files was often just muddled and boring.

Another vote for Buffy. While I think that some of the X-Files episodes were possibly the best things ever done for tv, I thnk Buffy had a better overall average. While some were worse then others, I don’t recall ever getting up and thinking “I’m wasting time even trying to watch this.” I can’t say the same for X-Files worst.

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Buffy. No contest. **X-Files ** never even makes it out of the gate. Buffy had better writing, better acting, better premise, better just-about-everything. Add in hot women and buff men, which **X-Files ** never had, and it becomes a no-brainer. :smiley:

I agree with

The best X episodes were the ones that stood alone with very little reference to the big story arc.

On a more superficial level, Buffy had better quips, but the X-Files had that CG cockroach that looked like it was walking across your TV screen. I was watching that episode in a darkened room, so that sucker looked real.

They say that the last thing that smokers with alzheimer’s forget is the name of the brand they smoke. I don’t smoke, so there’s a good chance that the last thing that I remember will be that damn CG cockroach. The folks at the home won’t know what I’m going on about, but they’ll be glad that I’m laughing, at least.

X-Files. And I think the old episodes stand up to repeated viewing. Hell, I watched four reruns on TV just last night. I like to pretend the last two seasons didn’t exist.

But then I never watched Buffy. Back then, it seemed like every time I turned on the TV, there was a commercial for another damn vampire movie. Vampires, vampires, vampires. Bleh. Dull. I never understood peoples’ undying fascination with vampires.

As someone who used to co-moderate an X-Files discussion group, let me cast my vote for Buffy. While the X-Files had some quality episodes, the overall show was one of the more disappointing TV experiences I’ve ever had the displeasure of going through. When Scully gave away her kid, that was it for my wife and I - our Give-A-Shitometer finally went into the red and we began actively hating the characters. Good thing there were only 4-odd episodes left in the entire series, or else we wouldn’t have bothered to stick around to make the ex-X-files group into a more-cool Movie discussion group (which meets the third Weds. every month, here in Knoxville, he plugs).

The comedy and the emotions, plus the blurry lines between good and bad,makes the entire Buffyverse the greatest creation on tv, over an extended period of time. B5 is actually better storytelling, but only as a whole, not on the level of individual episodes. I can watch BtVS episodes as standalones or decide to follow the arc, but B5 suffers too much from poor SFX/CG and sometimes wooden acting.

X-files suffered from not having a clear direction to take the story. It started out fun, but got lost after a couple of seasons. And speaking of lost, I do hope they have a route mapped out, because I’m feeling they might be headed the way of XF instead of B5.
But maybe that’s just becuase they got a hit show and the network has demanded that they stretch out the story.

I know I am in the minority here, but I found Buffy to be insufferable (or is that inBufferable?)

I loved The X-Files, and have enjoyed the shows immensely in reruns. By comparison, Buffy is kiddie stuff, IMHO.

Buffy. One hundred times over.

I agree. And in fact, the big story arc put me off the show very fast; episodes focussing on anything to do with alien stuff were much, much weaker and prevented me from getting hooked on the series.

Buffy’s first three seasons were some of the best TV I’ve ever seen, and there is no series that bears watching again, again, and again (so recommended to get on DVD), for great lines, great character development and subtle hints. Of all the seasons I disliked the 4th most, which only had a few good episodes really, but it picked up very decently afterwards and season 7, in my view, was one of the better ones for sure. All episodes were watcheable by themselves, but benefitted greatly from a good overal development. Great ending, too. Oh and on DVD, you can turn on subtitles for the hearing impaired. Those rule - not only do you get an exact transcript of what’s being said, you get transcripts of what those bands in the bronze sing. Sarcasm markings. And stuff like sighs.

X-files had good tension build up and atmosphere. The latter I think is what appealed most to me in the series. Buffy won for me by being able to mix lightness and seriousness in just the right amounts. Not afraid to be serious and dark for a while (like in Season two, or five, etc.) and getting away with it, and the development of the Willow character was awesome, putting all those old myths in a great new light. And then the addiction thing. Ah.

I’m not often impressed deeply by something, but the Buffy series has impressed me. Part of it’s charm is it’s teen guise. It’s as good as any book I’ve read.

The X-files, no. The atmosphere was it’s best part. It had a few good episodes. But by god, overall I even enjoyed Lois and Clark a lot more. Just because it has a lot less to put me off, I guess.

My vote is clear. Glad to see there’s a bit of a consensus going on. :wink:

If The X-Files had ever really lived up to its true potential, it would have been the best television series ever made. When it worked – in particular, when Darin Morgan wrote an episode – it just transcended television. That sounds like typical geek fanboy hyperbole, but I stand by it.

“Jose Chung’s From Outer Space” is still the best hour of television ever made, because it took the whole urban legends/paranoia/conspiracy theories/aliens theme of the show, turned it on its head, and then made it say something about everything. It was like a Charlie Kaufman movie before he started making movies. And when you start listing brilliant episodes of the series, it just goes on and on: “Humbug,” “Clyde Bruckman’s Final Repose,” “Dod Kalm,” “Night of the Corprophages,” “Ice,” “Roland,” “EBE” – and those are just the ones where I remember the title.

Buffy also had some brilliant episodes, but it lacked the scope. It was always a “high school” show, even after they graduated. It focused on self-indulgent teen-age angst, that my personal problems are the most important thing in the universe. (And yeah, they’ve made it abundantly clear that that was the point – the whole thing was a metaphor for feeling like the entire fate of the universe really is in your hands). There was always this layer of artifice around the whole thing, even when they made fun of themselves for doing it. There was always a feeling than none of it really mattered.

Still, Buffy’s the better series. As others have already said, The X-Files was completely muddled and directionless. During the show’s heyday, Chris Carter was proud (even smug) of saying that they explicitly did not have a “bible” and were making the show up as they went along – he put that out as an example of why it wasn’t as tedious and formulaic as “Star Trek.” But when it became more and more clear that all the hints of greater things to come were really just smoke and mirrors, it felt like pulling the rug out from under us.

Both series had terrible final seasons, but at least “Buffy” had satisfying story-arcs along the way. So when it tanked, you still felt like it was worth your time. X-Files kept promising and promising something huge, and then just made it clear that they were stalling and not only would they never deliver on it, they couldn’t deliver on it.

And by the end of “Buffy,” all the characters annoyed me, but I didn’t really dislike them, I just didn’t care about them anymore. By the fifth or so season of “X-Files,” I hated the characters. They kept doing the same things and saying the same things. I wanted Scully to stop just droning on and on about her cancer and die already. I realized that Mulder was really an obnoxious prick without Scully around to keep him honest.

I watched every episode of “Buffy,” although the last season was a chore. But somewhere around the sixth season of “X-Files,” I had a “fuck THIS!” moment and just stopped watching. I’ve read a synopsis of how it all turned out, and it just reassured me that I hadn’t missed a thing.

It’s not even close. The X-files is a far better show. Buffy, like every Star Trek show, is a cult show. Doesn’t mean it’s bad, but most people couldn’t care less about a vampire slayer. That show will never connect with a large audience the way the X-files did for the first few seasons. Like many have mentioned, the X-files sucked the last few seasons, but overall it was a great show. Buffy is still seen as a kid’s show.

I Actually Find It Difficult To Compare These Two Shows. I Love Them Both But If I Had To Choose, I Would Have To Be In The Minority And Say X-files. Although Buffy And Angel Are Great Shows With Superior Writing, I Guess I’m Just A Romantic. After 9 Years Mulder And Scully Ended Up Together. Every Personal Relationship On Buffy And Angel Was Stuck Down In The End. None Of The Characters Were Rewarded With Personal Love Relationships. They May Have Gone Out Heroes, But Lonely Heroes.