From http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-04-01-bush-cover_x.htm
From http://www.citypages.com/databank/24/1182/article11417.asp
I heard it was Crisco. 
I have no problem with GWB praying. On the other hand, even a person who prays will usually accept (or, better, seek) assistance from a person who has been in a similar situation–particularly when it was one’s own father–and from the very people whom one has hired to provide that assistance.
These are not the actions or words of a person who includes prayer to help him discern the best advice he has received; they seem to be the words of a man who thinks that prayer will hand him all the answers to the exclusion of other advice.
That´s hilarious, thanks for the link Brutus
Actually, Crisco makes cooking oil too, I believe.
You lose all credibility as a defender of righteousness when you use a slur coined by the radical right to decry the actions of “liberals.”
I knew he was a slippery character.
The problem, as I see it, is not the type of discourse that the OP is decrying, but the invective without support.
If you want to make a reasonable, rationale criticism, even if it’s harsh, that’s fine. Start a dialogue, make a statement that’s more that just namecalling or insults on their face and engage those who wish to refute or discuss what you have to say. When your first comment is “Bush is a (fill in the blank with the pejorative of your choice).” you’re only interested in hearing yourself talk (or seeing your words in print) and that gets awfully masturbatory and boring awfully quick.
Constructive criticism doesn’t start with a pejorative label, it starts with reasoning.
On another note, why is it in any way important that John Ashcroft begins new endeavors by seeking out another Christian to anoint and pray for him?
So in other words, all the innocent Iraqi victims of Bush’s pointless crusade deserved it for being Muslims. Or being brown. Or just being over there in the first place.
Alderbrand, don’t hold your breath for a Bush supporter to acknowledge the mass casualties his evil war has wrought. They just don’t care if people like you die. Because in their mind, you’re all just one big group, and you all deserve what you get for 9/11. Stupid, but true.
Agreed.
Especially on the SDMB.
But the OP doesn’t give a single example of what he objects to. :eek:
Instead he describes ‘liberals’:
- they have blind, unreasoning, bigoted hatred of Bush
- they are asswipes who spew venom
- they throw temper tantrums like a bunch of spoiled brats
- they puke out bigotry and hatred on a daily basis
Could we apply your calm post above to this?
Isn’t the OP guilty of precisely what he claims liberals are guilty of? :smack:
Is he therefore a hypocrite?
What do you think of the OP?
Well I only know the rituals of the Congregationalist branch of the Church of England, which do not include anointing. Are you saying that it is commonplace for people to be anointed whenever they start a new endeavor? Which branch of the Church is this?
Anoint: The practice of anointing with perfumed oil was common among the Hebrews. (1.) The act of anointing was significant of consecration to a holy or sacred use; hence the anointing of the high priest (Ex. 29:29; Lev. 4:3) and of the sacred vessels (Ex. 30:26). The high priest and the king are thus called “the anointed” (Lev. 4:3, 5, 16; 6:20; Ps. 132:10). Anointing a king was equivalent to crowning him (1 Sam. 16:13; 2 Sam. 2:4, etc.). Prophets were also anointed (1 Kings 19:16; 1 Chr. 16:22; Ps. 105:15).
Does this make Ashcroft holy? Is he a High Priest, a King or a Prophet?
It should be much more worrying for the other people in the US that these Bush supporters find it absolutely normal that their favorit criminal ordered the killing of thousands of people.
Of course true, as it is true that they truly believe that everyone who died in the 9/11 events was by definition US citizen and non-Muslim and of course non Middle -Eastern. Leaving out of course the fact that upto this day there is no solid proof whatsoever who was really involved in these attacks (there are still people running around these days who were among the claimed terrorists and who were at the time very surprized to hear themselves to be one. A dead on on top of it).
Well, one of my best friends died in the WTC. He was never found back. He was not a US citizen.
If there would not be restrictions, both by private and outside reasons, I could start to write pages about what I did the month after that date and some eyes would fall open and not only because of what it says about what is behind the raging Bush rethoric " War On Terror". In fact I have written pages about it because that was part of the job I voluntarely took up, at my own expense and sacrifying my own time effort and knowledge while spending more hours in a plane then on the ground.
But people who are the first to scream “9/11 Filthy Arabs” are most often also the last to be able to write one single letter about what they have done to resolve no matter what afterwards.
It is really pathetic to witness all that empty flag waving and US = Number 1 And We Beat The Crap Out Of Those Filthy Muslims on boards like this. As if blindfolded patriotistic flag waving excuses the thousands of people who died thanks to the arrogant blind lunatic power hunger of GW Bush and his Maffia.
Salaam. A
Heck, there was no cause to. If you read the rest of Woodward’s book, it seems like Cheney actually made the decision for him.
Right, which is why I noted that my objections were in place of the OP’s blanket condemnation of anyone who disagrees with him (and is therefore liberal).
I think I just said. Yes, he’s a hypocrite. I’ve disregarded the OP. His definitions are so vague as to be void and meaningless on their face. Piffle on the OP.
The Assemblies of God takes a broad view of anointing someone with oil when they are prayed for under unique circumstances. One is when a new baby is dedicated – we do not christen or baptize children – another is when someone is sick. The last is whenever someone requests special prayer because they are entering into a time when they will be specially challenged, when they may be in danger or when the circumstances of their lives are changing in a very significant way, such as marriage or after the death of a spouse or the undertaking of a new job.
When I was promoted to a vice presidency in my old job, I asked for prayer and my pastor called me up and anointed me and the congregation prayed together. We have five church members whose military units were called up to active duty, and we anointed and prayed for each of them before they left to go and serve. The members of our church who were elected to their city councils (2) and school boards (3) were anointed and prayed for before beginning their terms of office.
It’s not about being consecrated into a role of power, it’s simply a form of blessing. (Note that having one’s head anointed with oil is listed amongst the good done to the psalmist in Psalm 23.) And for the record, the oil isn’t Crisco. I’m not sure precisely what it is, but all of the anointing oil I’ve ever seen has been very light, lighter than baby oil, and richly fragrant, usually like cloves or nutmeg or another heady, earthy spice of that nature. I’m pretty sure that they sell this stuff in church supply centers.
On an entirely other note…
I don’t know why I bother, because in more than a half dozen threads, Aldebaran has pointedly ignored questions directed to him such as this but…
Aldebaran, produce one quote from any regular poster on this board (not some Stormfront iidiot who stopped by to troll) who has said anything about all Muslims being our enemy or about us beating "filthy Muslims."
You misspelled “astute,” “informed,” “rational,” and “opposition.”
Oh, but you do love your strawmen, don’t you?
:wally
Much as I don’t care about Bush, the thread was entertaining just to see Aldeberan go postal, as I’m sure he’s been jumping to do for quite some time. His condescension schtick was getting tiresome.
Peace.
Why, whatever are you talking about? It has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the September 11 attacks were the work of a Jewish-CIA-Illuminatist-Bolshevik-White Supremacist conspiracy, personally directed by the revivified Zombie-Cyborg of Lyndon Baines Johnson, with Lee Harvey Oswald flying all the planes by remote control.
Osama bin Laden is just a simple, pious Muslim who has dedicated his life to building wells and providing free healthcare to the people of Afghanistan. Those videotapes where he appears to gloat over having masterminded the September 11 attacks were just misinterpreted by people who don’t understand all of the nuances of Middle Eastern culture.
:smack: Og spare me from the people who are more-or-less arguing on my side in any given thread.
MEBuckner
I do hope - for you - that you are joking?
Do you know any historian who has published an in depth study about these events? I don’t because there are none, for the simple reason that you can not study an event without having sources.
Maybe in a few decades there shall be some more or less reliable material available to actually start an in depht study on this event. Or maybe not. There are many things that are still very unclear although they happened hundreds of years ago and are documented by a variety of sources and witnesses reporting on it from all sides and all interests possible.
Do you have something against me being a historian and hence not willing to believe anything that I did not research in depth myself and that is not/can not be researched by people I can trust because they are historians themselves with a decent reputation?
Salaam. A
Oh, knock it off. “Historians” aren’t the Grand Exalted High Priests of the Revealed Truth.
How do you know that the U.S. has killed any civilians in Iraq? Have any historians produced lengthy, peer-reviewed, footnoted tomes proving that allegation?
Historians who respect themselves never claim to write The Truth about anything they write. They come to conclusions about the issues they study on and underscore their studies and writings with references to the sources they used in their research.
And as for the civilians killed in Iraq: I think you just made an allusion that every single news report coming out of their, including filmed material is just madeup by the anti war and probably in your idea exclusively by the anti US crowd?
You are absolutely entitled to clamp on to such a belief.
I am absolutely sure there are civilians murdered by your dear criminal president because
I happen to know at least one child that was not yet seven years old and that is now really completely DEAD. I know that because her relatives told it. I know it because she happens to be burried.
You can of course hold on to your belief that everything an Iraqy sais about what happens to Iraqi family member, friends, neighbours is a lie because you are US citizen and in your brain that means that You Are God.
You can also think that Iraqis are beast who bury their children alive.
I do not think so, but I do hope you are happy with whatever you like to think and believe.
Salaam. A
Glad to see I’m not the only one who has a problem with Aldebaran’s rhetoric.
Not for everyone, no. This is partially because of our government is inept when it comes to sharing information with itself. Case in point: when the Governor of Kentucky was flying in for Reagan’s funeral, his plane nearly got shot down because the FAA did not notify the military that the plane had a broken transponder.
That said, I’m not sure what to think about the hijackers and their possible borrowing identities of others. On the one hand, I can understand wanting to keep their identities secret but on the other, wouldn’t they want the world to know who they were?
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:rolleyes: