In which I pit Mary Jo Kopechne

You don’t see anything I say as sincere.

I am. I am being less insulting to people.

No, actually it continues as long as YOU drag it out. You’re the one following me around telling me what I can and cannot say. You and several others.

It’s not your right to censor me, and you are trying to use trolling tactics to do so. It’s not going to work.

At some point you’ll realize that I am not going to respond to your trolling tactics. If you want me to shut up then stop telling me to shut up. It’s that simple.

All of you who are harassing me? Take your own advice and the drama will end immediately.

I will not shut up because you want me to. If i do it just tells me that you have been a successful troll and that you will use that tactic again because it worked the last time.

In these pit threads in particular, I am making it as tedious for you as it possibly can be to get me to shut up for a reason. The more effort it takes to shut me up the more you will realize the futility of the attempt, and the less you’ll try in the future.

The important point to remember here is that I am not following YOU around. YOU are following ME around. So it should be clear who is the one trying to stir up as much drama as possible. I have not attacked you, you have attacked me.

A message to the mods: I am not going to try to get banned or try not to get banned. The message has been received loud and clear, public apologies on this board are completely pointless. If you really wanted civility you’d also focus on the people who are clearly trying to stir up shit by attacking me. You fulfill their goals by moderating only me and not those who are obviously trolling me. If I were gone they would just find someone else, and you know it.

This will from here on in be confined to the Pit. I will never make a public apology again. Anyone who doesn’t like what I have to say can go fuck themselves.

To those who I apologized to specifically, my apologies to you stand. To anyone else, if I really offend you, please PM me explaining why you were offended. I’ll still apologize privately if you make your case adequately.

I do not apologize for starting any pit on this forum that I have ever started. And it is likely that I will post what I want to post regardless of its level of controversy. Just because a topic is controversial and the person knows it is controversial doesn’t mean they are trying to piss people off by talking about it.

Jesus fucking Christ.

JUST WALK THE FUCK AWAY, mswas.

Just let it go.

To all the Evangelical Atheists out there who constantly call people stupid, delusional or insane for believing things that they don’t believe, who make people afraid to talk about their religious viewpoints on this message board. You can go choke on each other’s dicks. I have received countless private messages from other members of this forum telling me how thankful I am to say what they don’t want to say because they don’t want to deal with a pile on.

This is in violation of Pit rules. I demand an apology.

Oh, and Liberal is not going to like that you stole the drama queen crown off’n his noggin.

Jesus fucking Christ

JUST WALK THE FUCK AWAY, tacoloco.

Just let it go.

Really? Who was I addressing it to? Point out who I was insulting. We need names here.

Heh, he’s been pretty nice about the whole thing trying to offer me words of encouragement as someone who has been there. He’s also been telling me to let it go.

I’m just tired of my threads getting locked because assholes are following me around trying to turn them into fights.

The right way to make a public apology on a forum is to make a post and let it stand without further commentary.

Like I said over in that thread, you can’t control what people think or say. Some people will accept the apology at face value, some will cry bullshit and a bunch of others will be anywhere between the two.

I guarantee you that if you made the apology and let it stand as you wrote it, you would have more people on the acceptance side of the spectrum.

Look, I’ve been in situations like this on message boards where it seemed like the whole board was against me. I’d get up in everybody’s grill over everything they posted and wouldn’t let it go. But at some point, in situations like that, I realized that it was better for -me- to just move on.

Just do yourself a favor and withdraw from this thread and the other thread. It’s the high road and nobody but an idiot will think poorly of you for making a sensible choice.

No we don’t.

I don’t see how that is a violation of the terms because I didn’t single out any single person. I singled out a behavior. To me it seems the same as the difference between.

Fear Itself You’re stupid for believing in young Earth Creationism.

and

People who believe in Young Earth Creationism are stupid.

Ok, that’s fair enough. Thank you for actually addressing this like this. This is constructive and I’ll keep it in mind.

LOL, somehow I doubt anyone’s opinion of me is anything but firmly set in stone at this point. A lot of people around here think I’m an idiot already and I don’t think that is going to change.

So truce, ok?

I’ve been kind of a dick to you, for which I apologize.

Tacoloco Here is my quandary. Essentially what is happening is people are trying to dictate to me what threads I do and do not get to start. They are creating controversy in order to be able to say, “See he’s a troll, look at the fight that broke out!”

You’re absolutely right that this is all trivial and doesn’t really matter. Believe me when I have something better to do, I’ll go do it.

This forum basically has liberals and atheists shouting people down to the point where they are afraid to post opinions contrary to the mainstream idea. This is a very big problem around here. I’m not going to be one of those who is afraid to post those topics. As long as I make that point clear I am happy.

I think his advice is good.

Dude, it’s what they do. They are going to keep poking at you as long as you respond.

If you are enjoying making the response, have at it - knock yourself out. Feeding the trolls has a certain charm. I know that as well as anyone. But only if you don’t take it all too seriously, which I get the feeling you are beginning to do.

You apologized. Good on you. Some accepted it. Good on them. Some, who didn’t want you to apologize because they want to keep after you and see if they can bait you into getting banned, didn’t accept it. Fuck 'em.

My $.02 worth, and it probably isn’t even worth that much.

Regards,
Shodan

Truce, absolutely, I welcome it. I welcome it with any and all. Thank you. offers hand

Heh, I am a coyote archetype. I take everything very seriously and not seriously at all, all the time. I constantly get people not knowing whether or not I am serious.

An idea just popped into my head of something this sort of reminds me of. When I was in High School and the English teacher taught me about double-entendres I got so good at making them that people eventually got so annoyed because they were always afraid there was some subtext that they weren’t getting.

Thanks, I appreciate it. And I want to let this go, but I’m not going to shut up just because someone tells me to.

To everyone:

Tell you what, a real life friend of mine on these forums is taking me out for some Sangria at happy hour later. I will consider this thread to be the end of all of this drama. That is the cut off. If you tell me to shut up before then I will respond. After that I will not open this thread again and you can say whatever the hell you want to about me here.

If you follow me around to threads outside of the Pit bringing this drama, I won’t respond, I will simply report your post.

Keep in mind also that insight without action is futile.

Of course.

So you can shit all over our boards, cause all kinds of mayhem, be an all round jerk and troll, stir up trouble just for your own amusement.

And finish up by telling up we can’t tell you to shut up?

Hell no!
Shut up, shut up, shut up - you stupid troll you’re driving everyone crazy already!

You are actually the trollhere. And you are not everyone.

If you don’t like it stop posting here in this thread. It’s really easy. There are hundreds of threads where I am not posting.

Other than this thread the only threads I am posting on are one regarding logging out of the straight dope where I am talking about cookies. Another where I talk about how much I like one of our posters. Another one where there is a civil discussion regarding the definition of supernatural. Other than that, I am not participating in any threads at this time. You aren’t even posting in any of those threads.

So don’t open this thread and you won’t have to deal with it.

In fact, I am not even being uncivil to you right now. I am just saying I won’t shut up because you tell me to.