Have you even responded to the question or do you simply like insulting people right off the bat?
I am unsure how a comparison of a competitive sport has any bearing on a relationship.
You probably should look a bit more into law. Look up Mens Rea.
In your example you intended to kill the person and that is a guilty mind. The law is about killing. The accused’s speculation on the victim’s thoughts on death are irrelevant.
I asked a general question. Love has no bearing on statutory rape and my initial question was talking about a person over the age of consent.
That would be another take on it yes. If they were sane though they would clearly have the mens rea or guilty mind.
Thanks. All good examples.
Still the majority of society perceives these an inappropriate and I am trying to dig down to the real reason. So far a number of people seem to be getting sensitive and attacking me rather than seek their own reasons.
Because most imbalances are static. If two people form a relationship that’s initially based on their attraction for different races, for example, then it can remain a stable relationship - both partners will remain the race they entered the relationship with. But a relationship based on an attraction towards different levels of maturity is not stable because maturity levels are not static.
Remember the line in Dazed and Confused where Wooderson said “That’s what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age”? Well suppose Wooderson had fallen in love with some special seventeen year old high school girl and married her. He’d have found out that she’d stop being a high school girl.
I agree that we talk about ephebophiles it would be very difficult for them to form a long lasting relationship. I am not talking about ephebophiles. In most cases people change throughout their lives. Obviously their race does not change, but most people are not attracted to only the “now” person. I don’t think we can assume that every relationship between an adult and a teen is based on attraction to their specific level of maturity.
Of course that could be a common reason people feel this form of relationship is inappropriate as people have such a low opinion of teens.
Oh noes, won’t somebody think of the creepers?
You’re not interested in an explanation (and you’ve already gotten the answer anyway), but it’s sleazy for 40 year olds to bang 15 year olds because they are not peers. They are not equals. There is a disparity cognitive and emotional maturity which prevents the possibility of an equitable relationship. It’s just a creeper using a child’s body to masturbate with. It’s not a relationship.
Comparing distaste for adults having sex with minors to racism is completely asinine, by the way.
It’s probably totally legal for me to have a relationship with a profoundly retarded man, but it would be icky because it would be profoundly unequal and I’d be taking advantage. That’s why.
No, because those disparities are not inherent to the abilities of the individuals to understand the relationships.
Incidentally, your wheedling upthread about “mens rea” is ridiculous. If a 40 yar old wants to bang teenage girls, then that 40 year old has the mens rea of a predatory creep. Trying to argue that he might “love” her is laughable. It is not possible for him to have that kind of relationship with her in a way that she can understand anbd reciprocate. It just means he’s delusional, and delusion is not exculpatory. It’s commonplace for pedophiles (I mean real pedophiles who molest prepubescent children) to say that they “love” their victims. That means nothing and excuses nothing.
You’ve been given the reason repeatedly. It’s pure and simple about maturity. Minor or just of age, doesn’t matter, a 15 to 20 year-old is profoundly different (generally speaking) than a fully developed adult who is carrying a mortgage, raising children, and/or who has gone through multiple relationships and had time (the key factor here) to grow, learn and adapt to situations the young person hasn’t been exposed to.
That’s it. It’s really, really, really simple. Stop being so obstinate in your questioning and get this point. No one is saying this is universal, but in just about everyone’s experience this is the case and the (extremely) rare instances of success for these relationships (and whether they are successful or just two people who are messed up learning to live with their messed-upedness) are not enough to detract from the general experience.
I am not a creeper thanks.
There has not been a single obvious answer given.
It is obvious I can’t have an intelligent conversation with you as you simply wish to heap your descrmination at me.
As for “distaste for adults having sex with minors to racism” I am not doing that. I am comparing relationships between a adult and a minor with racism. In both cases they tend to give similar answers.
In your case you assume that every teen must be a cognitive and emotional inferior to every adult and that this will make or break everything.
I have met a lot of people in my life and I have met all combinations of originative and emotional level in almost every age. I know of couples where the matches are also not there with nothing due to age. Nothing magical happens at 18, 21 or even 30 that makes a person more intelligent or mature. I have met teens who were immature and old people who were.
So far the answers seem to becoming from peoples gut not experience. For example you claim they are extremely rare. What do you base this on?
So far the examples actually listed were of successes.
For the record " just two people who are messed up learning to live with their messed-upedness" in my experience is a good description of many relationships.
I will stand by the fact in my experience that maturity does not simply come with age. My kids are very mature and I know other teens who are as well and I have worked with many people who I have known for 20 years and their maturity does not seem to change. I know many teens and people in their 20s who are mosre mature than many people will ever be.
… buh?
… buh?
You’re right. The laws are there to create a line for us because it’s impossible to choose a point where a person suddenly becomes mature. That’s why I support Romeo & Juliet laws. But a 15-year old “in a relationship” (and by that I mean fucking - your attempts to separate the two have failed) with a 40-year old is wrong for reasons already adequately explained to you regardless of where that magic age might lie.
I would not like to compare teens with a “profoundly retarded man”.
I didn’t say you were, I said 40 year olds who bang teenage girls are creepers.
Yes there has, and it’s been given several times.
It’s spelled “discrimination,” and you are not being discriminated against, you are being given an answer to the question that you asked
“Inferior,” is not the word, but it is a physiological, biological fact that a person’s brain is not fully developed until they are in their early 20’s.
No you haven’t. You have not met people who have completely devoloped brains at 15.
You are ignorant of the chronology of brain development. You have not met teenagers who have completely developed brains. It doesn’t happen. The fact that some adults lack full devlopment or maturity does not alter the fact that ALL teenagers lack it.
What you would like is neither here nor there.
You really should read what you are commenting on. The mens rea was brought up to deal with the comment that the law is about generalities.
And I have never been talking about “banging teenage girls” that would be you.
Are you suggesting a teenage girl is incapable of love?
Alright let me rephrase. There is no comparison. Teens a group are not comparable with someone who is “profoundly retarded”.
Neither are teens as a group comparable to people in their 30s. That is much of the reason why relationships between teenagers and people in their 30s and 40s are generally seen as creepy.
Regards,
Shodan