Inauguration Day follow-along thread -- Woo-hoo! Cue the brass bands & fireworks!

This confused me because I thought the cameras kept showing Carter. I’m not sure who I was looking at now.

Wondering whether they were hiding under the bed during the fireworks.

Yeah. It’s possible we’re going to be riding a genuinely roaring economy in 2022.

But Biden can’t count on having more than two years. So he’d better use them, as hard and as fast as he can: in part because that’s the best chance that we will have that roaring economy.

So far he seems to be off to a good start.

I’m not sure who you were looking at either. I don’t recall anyone who looked like Carter at the inauguration.

I did! Just a glimpse from a side view. I was confused, too.

I am not sure who you saw except…maybe???..Sanders? I dunno…

FWIW Carter definitely was not there. Here is the bit in Biden’s speech where he mentions Carter:

I thank my predecessors of both parties for their presence here.

I thank them from the bottom of my heart.

You know the resilience of our Constitution and the strength of our nation.

As does President Carter, who I spoke to last night but who cannot be with us today, but whom we salute for his lifetime of service. SOURCE

I just hope she doesn’t become President due to the death of Biden. Wouldn’t she be limited then to one term won on her own?

It would depend how much of Biden’s term she finished. A president can serve for a maximum of two terms or ten years. So, if Biden died in his fourth year (as an example) then Harris could run for two more terms.

Or she could resign on the spot, giving the presidency to the Speaker of the House and leave herself open to run and (potentially) have two terms possible. I’d be surprised if she did that but it is possible I think.

Great cover:

The fries are a nice touch.

Yikes. That makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time.

I like this one even better, which was published just after the election was called.

Back to Inauguration Day. This isn’t brass bands and fireworks though…

As the world tuned in to watch President Biden deliver his inaugural address at the Capitol on Wednesday, a lone man in uniform carried out a silent vigil more than 110 miles away.

Kneeling on the chilly ground as winds whipped through the Delaware cemetery, the man clasped his hands and bowed his head before the grave of Biden’s late son, Beau, for the duration of the speech. His identity remains unknown, as do his reasons for visiting St. Joseph on the Brandywine Catholic Church in Wilmington, Del., on Wednesday.

But the poignant scene, which would have gone unnoticed if a reporter from the Delaware News Journal hadn’t stopped by the graveyard to pay her own respects, struck a chord with thousands on Twitter.

Poignant moment: While Joe Biden gave his inauguration speech, a lone man in a uniform knelt at the Delaware grave of his son Beau. pic.twitter.com/QkCuJRHzTz

— Patricia Talorico (@PattyTalorico) January 20, 2021

Biden has frequently spoken about the grief he experienced after losing Beau, who died of brain cancer at age 46 in 2015, and how the loss held him back from pursuing a presidential run in 2016. In an emotional speech before he left Delaware on Tuesday, he said that his only regret was that Beau — a former veteran, Delaware attorney general and a rising political star at the time of his death — was not the one being sworn in as president.

Here’s the picture.

Stories of Biden and his personal losses always get to me, in part because I think he wears his heart so boldly on his sleeve, and he doesn’t hold back when talking about them. It’s such a testament to who he is.

“If you want a vision of the future, imagine loser stamped on a Trumpy face – forever.”

“Saluting” while marching is done in the usual manner by whoever’s leading the rank, and by merely turning the head in the ranks themselves.

In the United States, the command for saluting on the march is “Eyes, RIGHT/LEFT.” The parade formation commander and other officers execute the hand salute or execute sabre salute if available (especially if full dress uniform is worn) (and if present on parade the company guidon bearers dip them in salute about 90 degrees above the ground), while everyone but the right file or left file in either case turns their heads to the right. The command for recovery is “Ready, FRONT.”

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However, the band, being busy, doesn’t have to do even that.

RE The President saluting:

A president is commander in chief of all U.S. military forces. No regulation exists stating a president must give out or return a salute. In fact, as pointed out by this 2016 fact check via the Florida Times-Union, presidential salutes are more out of courtesy than protocol.

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I am an Air Force brat and the widow of an army retiree, and I do not like to see people in civilian clothes saluting. I wince when I see someone saluting who has never been in the military and thus was never taught how to do it properly and learned only from watching movies. I guess it will be a long time, if ever, before we have another president who is ex-military. Modern day presidents from “The Greatest Generation” were all former military, except FDR, am I right on that?

There’s some good stuff on saluting in this closed thread.

From @gdave:

The President is a civilian. Traditionally, they did not render military-style salutes. They would have used civilian-style hand-over-the-heart salutes for the Pledge, national anthem, and similar ceremonial moments, and would not return the salutes of military personnel. Ronald Reagan apparently wanted to return the salutes of military personnel who saluted him as Commander-in-Chief, was informed that protocol didn’t require it, but it also didn’t forbid it, so he started doing so, creating a new tradition.

Since then, U.S. Presidents have typically returned salutes of military personnel. They have usually still used the civilian hand-over-the-heart salute in other situations. There’s really no specific protocol for the exact hand gesture they should use to salute for the Pledge or anthem or similar situation. Either form of salute is appropriate.

BTW, military personnel in uniform are required to render the military-style hand salute in those situations. In civilian dress, either form of salute is appropriate.

From @JRDelirious:

Exactly. The President giving a pseudo-military style salute is an affectation developed over the Reagan days.

Under actual regulation and tradition, a civilian official does not have to return salutes from the military members in his environment. He can walk past a guard, or the parade formation can march past him, and he does not have to make any hand gesture, they’ll drop the salute once he’s out of their field of vision and it is not an offense to them . If he directly approaches a member or group thereof any sort of verbal greeting/acknowledgement should suffice.

Saluting the colors as they pass should be done by civilians with the hand-on-heart gesture, and if we are wearing a hat or cap, putting it over the heart ( or I suppose raising it depending on what is practical). IIRC civilian veterans are authorized to do the military salute while keeping the hat on.

More from @gdave:

I don’t know for sure about other services, but in the U.S. Army, no superior actually has to return a salute from a subordinate, outside of certain ceremonial situations. It’s common courtesy to do so, and it is a bit offensive to ignore a subordinate’s salute, but strictly speaking, it’s not a violation of military protocol.

Veterans and service members in civilian dress can render honors to the flag with either a military salute with their hat on or doff their hat and place their hand over their heart, civilian-style. Either is appropriate, and just a matter of personal preference.

The U.S. President, as a civilian official, should really render the civilian-style salute, but since Reagan it’s become increasingly common for them to use military salutes, and both render honor to the flag. It’s really the symbolism of a civilian official using military-style honors that makes it at all questionable - it’s a question of civil-military relations and perceptions of creeping militarism, not a question of respect for the flag.

So a general could be sitting at his desk, call a subordinate in, and have them remain at salute for a half-hour chewing out? That seems excessive.

I’ll step back so an active duty or retired military person can answer that ludicrous hypothetical. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Why “ludicrous?” I’m seriously asking. It just seems tailor-made for a martinet to abuse if there isn’t any “Hold for 15 seconds or until they blink” reg.