… Oh, no one is pinging very scumly to me, in fact the scummiest action I can see would be coming the closest to a no lynch vote you can in this game i.e talking about leaving it to the following day for more info. As always we can’t let the scum get the initiative and let them get a free kill.
I don’t think we went very long at all with no votes. I mean, it’s only a 3 day Day if I am remember correctly.
I don’t think voting for the first person who votes on those grounds alone makes much sense at all.
I get the idea of Scum getting nervous about being bombarded with votes at the end of the day after having a Day of no votes, but this is far from that situation and most scum would be careful to not to fabricate a weak first vote.
OMG I have just reread everything. And I now realize I totally misunderstood AllWalker. I thought he was saying that the case against me was that I had made the first vote on Normal Phase and that I had voted peeker as a joke vote and that I had voted diggit as a self-defense vote. But he was talking about who voted for me.
I need to pick up that wooden rabbit and slap myself against the head more than once.
I have no idea what you’re trying to say with this vote. I didn’t say anything about leaving things for the following Day, and I have an honest to goodness vote in for a person.
I never said it was a strong case, but the one against DiggitCamara was just wrong from my perspective — based on nothing and threatening to develop into a bandwagon that would stifle discussion for the rest of the day. I didn’t want that, and went to see if anything else caught my eye.
You mis-characterize my vote when you say it was based on first-vote status alone – that’s not what I wrote at all. There was also ColdPhoenix stepping in to correct peeker’s misapprehension about the newt/Frenchman thing, on which he based his own vote for texcat. Why the defense? It was obviously a joke vote, no harm done (at that point). It might just be random altruism, or it might be a reflex to protect a teammate (and there are no Masons in this game). The two things together prompted my comment.
So yes, it was admittedly a very thin case, but it’s not like anyone has presented a stronger, yet, unless there are in fact Scum in the original DiggitCamara bandwagon (and I see no way of picking any of you above the rest, if so). It was not based on just that one thing. And in any case, it did spark what appears to have been a rather strong reaction based on a hasty misread of AllWalker’s comment, so for now my vote stays where it is.
NETA: All kinds of mis-reads going on, apparently.
Oh, yes, your self-sacrifice is moving. I think these are good points and am considering changing my vote, but will see what he has to say for himself.
I note we have one piece of information that will be very helpful–apparently when there is a tie, the first person to be voted in is the lynchee. At least judging by the “as of now X will be lynched at dusk”.
Before I look at the vote leaders, Gryff’s vote against Nanook seems strange. He is accusing Nanook of talking about not voting, but Nanook voted for Mahaloth. If Gryff could elaborate on this point - or someone who knows what he is talking about, if he is too busy - that would help. In the meantime, colour me confused.
On looking at things closer, Nanook is confused as well (#225). Glad to see it’s not just me.
All right, so it seems as though of the 3 vote leaders - DC, texcat and Mahaloth - there is the typical Day 1 spread caused by no one having anything to vote on. The case against DC seems to have mostly collapsed in the wake of his explanation. texcat seems a little, er, highstrung, what with voting early and misreading my arguments. This might just be a factor of playing style, I don’t know - I am unfamiliar with texcat.
The case against Mahaloth, though, is based on decisions made in game. A player’s actions count for a lot in this game, more than their style. I’d make a case, but you can’t beat this justification:
Vote Mahaloth though I will probably change my vote to Gryff if no one can explain his vote on Nanook.
There were 3 posters who voted for DC with little explanation and after a bandwagon was established - BillMC, ColdPheonix, Mahaloth. Add this to #187 where Mahaloth supposes a post restriction on DC - this point I am ambivalent on. In my eyes it looks like DC thought he was explaining himself when he wasn’t, and this could look like a post restriction, but it also looked like Mah was aggressively leaping on DC for not explaining himself clearly. (That last sentence doesn’t quite make sense, but I hope I am being clear. If not I will try again when not so tired).
Then there was the lack of unvoting after DC clarified his arguments, which Mah later said he simply forgot to do.
In short, I think Mah has addressed these points, but I can still see a Scum angle behind it. A Town angle, too, but when isn’t that the case?
Sorry for the delay in replies, I am UK based and been asleep for most of your conversations.
This is the snippet I was referring to. While Nanook votes in this post he also says he would prefer to wait until the results of night 1 before doing anything. This mildly anti-town, and if we weren’t forced to lynch I would expect a person saying that to vote no-lynch.