Apparently, they were very big behind the Iron Curtain, but once freedom came to town, everything went to shit.
I haven’t read much about them. How much of an actual movement is it? Is it just a few crazies or is there a substance number of them?
Basically, who knows?
However, incels do seem to have been responsible for a number of mass murders.
No idea what you are talking about Chingon and the point is exactly correct.
Like most of us I don’t have very many facts about who Incels are and what “they” think, other than the tautological. (It seems that being an Incel is defined not by being involuntarily celibate but by having and posting certain misogynistic beliefs regarding that fact. Or is the definition just posting on a board that contains others with those beliefs?) Could be only a few thousand people total or hundreds of thousands. People here are taking one or two specific nut jobs to extrapolate from about some unknown sized group.
None of this seems to based on anything other than people imagining an Incel as a boogeyman character.
<shudder> no thanks …
well i was involuntarily celibate any time mrAru was deployed, and over the past year and a bit because I found it hard to get romantic when I was more interested in not vomiting all the time =)
I know women have it better, to be blunt, I can name offhand 3 or 4 military-populated bars in Norfolk VA where you just need to be female and conscious to be attractive to the guys inside and just need to announce you want to get laid and someone [or more] would be more than willing to go home with you. [OK, and one gay bar, but we digress] so effectively a woman can pretty much get laid on demand if they really want to [and aren’t picky]
Tell that to the families of the people killed by Eliot Rodger, Alek Minassian, and Scott Beierle.
Well, there might be some hetero men there in the usually-mistaken assumption that there might be women there.
I think we should give all women a large sock full of quarters so that perhaps these stupid assholes may somehow get some sense beaten into them.
Maybe spread your legs on the sheet? Incel, Excel, same diff.
I think it is the set of people always turned down. And being turned down includes cases where they don’t even ask but are not swarmed by attractive women.
To extrapolate from several specific individuals identified as members of a group to the mindset of what “they” think is a odious for this group as it is for “Muslims” or “Arabs” or “Mexicans” or even “Trump supporters”, all of which have members who have killed multiple people.
Yes there have been some heinously disturbed individuals who have been identified as “Incel”. Those specific individuals did those horrible acts and they thought how they thought. “Incels” are x or y only by True Scotsman usage.
Disclaimer: this applies to people who participate in and claim membership in online inceldom.
A married woman is usually someone who screwed around she began losing her looks and youthfulness, and then she roped a beta into marrying her and supporting her kids. They don’t want married women. This is the party line so to speak and it veers toward young, hot, malleable virgins being the only women worth pursuing. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen shared thoughts that any given woman should provide any given man the sex that he wants. I think there’s way too much emphasis on rating and classifying people (male and female) among incels for it to be that easy. That’s what sets them apart from other groups of supremacists*; they see the world operating in accordance with their own beliefs, which puts them in the lowest caste and they have to live with that.
- Southern Poverty Law Center https://twitter.com/splcenter/status/1058837634276122624
This is preposterous. Incels aren’t like Muslims or Mexicans or even Trump supporters. They are like the Klan or Da’esh. They have an inherently violent ideology, even if very few of them act on it. Most Neo-Nazis won’t ever attack a Jewish person. Does that mean they are good people, and that I’m wrong for disparaging any adherent of that ideology?
Again, the incel community is not made of people who have a hard time getting laid for whatever reason. Incels are people who favor violence against women for the crime of denying them the sex they are rightfully owed.
I think it’s reasonable to talk about “what was the dominant narrative on r/incels” as approximating SOMETHING. It’s hard to say now many individuals that encompasses, of course. but it’s not something entirely made up. And attributing the views of the largest self-described incel community as “how incels see things” seems pretty accurate.
This is not at all what they are mad about. They ARE picky. They think everyone should be picky. Evolutionary psychology is the worst sort of bunk, and these guys use it to justify everything. They want to fuck hot young babes and hot young babes only and they think anyone who has sex with anyone else is a beta cuck who is being used for his money and is fooling himself about his own happiness. They HATE ugly women because ugly women are abandoning the social contract of making themselves beautiful, thus contributing to the imbalance of men who want to fuck and women who are fuckable. They hate men who marry ugly chicks because those men are rewarding bad behavior for the cravenly satisfaction of sub-standard pussy.
The weirdest part, though, is they don’t think they deserve hot young babes because they recognize that there is an imbalance and they hate themselves. They see themselves as genetically inferior and think it’s hopeless: they can’t get laid because women are just pigeons responding to stimuli and they don’t offer the right stimuli.
At least a True Incel.
There have been and are some dysfunctional antisocial misogynistic men. It seems like many of them have found each other in certain online places which likely also contain others not like them of some unknown number. You don’t know those numbers and I don’t.
Is there some statement of beliefs they sign on to to post there? Is it a community devoted to attacking others? I have not and will not go to those sites but I wouldn’t want anyone to assume that because I post here I endorse whatever anyone else says here. Does anyone post there just sad that they are lonely? Are these just the same dregs as have always been who now post to each other? Do you really know?
I don’t think Incels are as horny as they portray themselves as (or allow themselves to be portrayed as). I think their real problem is they are lonely, socially disconnected, and desperate for status. A “hot chick” is a status symbol.
My bold.
If someone visits a Neo-Nazi forum out of curiosity I won’t think less of them. I’ve done that myself. If someone goes there to denounce that ideology, more power to them! But if someone says “I am a Nazi” I’m going to take them at their word and assume that they support Nazi ideology, and I will think that they are a horrible person. Same with someone who says “I am an Incel.”
But I’m not sure how much time I want to spend arguing with someone who openly states that they want to be deliberately ignorant of the subject matter they are discussing.
I agree, and I think your second sentence is true for people who join all sorts of extremist groups.
There are forums that are devoted to ForeverAlone types. That’s where people go when they just want to express sadness and loneliness. And then there are Incel forums where people post hateful shit all the time. Now, there are people who lurk/post on both forums. But only people with a certain mentality would call themselves an Incel.
Incel boards are much more like Stormfront forums than the SDMB.
I don’t disagree. I’ve certainly heard boys and men express their loneliness in terms of “I am jealous of men who have girlfriends” and it’s clear the part they are fixated on is being seen by other men as successful, not anything about the hypothetical girlfriend.
That said, I think another part is that stupid, gross evolutionary psychology. It’s the Social Darwinism of the Gilded Age recast: any immorality, any selfishness, any corruption becomes ethically neutral, even admirable, if it’s rationalized based on a just-so story of how you’ve decided cave men lived (which is, itself, not based on anything). If your hate and frustration is rooted in genetic imperative–your body’s compulsion to fuck fertile young women–it’s not your fault. It’s part of the natural order.
Dseid, I don’t think anyone is bashing lonely young men who haven’t had sex in a long time, if ever. That’s a totally different thing–in the same way that being of Aryan stock certainly doesn’t make one a Nazi. But various Incel sites are pretty explicit about what they believe, and while I am sure there’s considerable disagreement about the details, anyone claiming the identity of “Incel” isn’t just lonely.
They seek out and continue to engage in a community that refers to non virgin women as “roasties”, calls Eliot Rodger a “hero,” and have discussions on such topics as “if you were at a party and found a fellow incel raping a drunk, passed out woman, would you a) ignore and let him get laid finally, b) wait your turn, or c) stop him”- everyone in that thread, with literally one or two exceptions, chose either tip him a wink and be on your way or wait his turn. And in that thread, the anonymous posters who said stop the rapist were mocked and attacked.
Yes, it’s a community that is devoted to attacking others- and also themselves. “Black pill” discussions are frequent, as is posts called suicide fuel.
I’ve been to those boards. I was horrified how many of these men were gleefully talking about going Eliot and taking out as many as possible before being taken down themselves. Maybe some are just sad and lonely, but they sign on and mingle with the ones taking about murder and rape, and they don’t leave.