His intent is immaterial, it is racist to implicitly compare black to jungle. Unless the OP happened to bump into an ethnomusicologist, which if they did that’d be a great detail to add.
Try putting the two words into your favourite search engine and prepare to be pleasantly surprised.
Yeah… but someone who thinks of Jungle Music when discussing the Beatles isn’t going to be hip enough to know about that off the top of their head.
I’m guessing this person was either an octogenarian or a RL troll.
I’m reminded of someone I met, a woman in her twenties, and had the misfortune of being a captive audience for, for nearly an hour. She kept referring to “colored people”. I did mention the current term is “person of color”, in case that’s what she meant. It wasn’t.
She didn’t care to get the hint. I don’t know if she was looking for a fight, or what she expected. Usually people who assume fellow white people are racist clam up after being corrected (IRL, not online, IME). Eventually I just had to laugh, and I asked her if she’s a time traveller from the 50’s, because that’s not even a modern slur.
Minor hijack - I’m in Southern MD - St. Mary’s county - and I’ve been surprised at the number of interracial couples I encounter. When we moved here 13 years ago, I was bracing for racism, but while it does exist, it’s not as pervasive as I’d expected. I’ve encountered more than my share of assholes, but there are still enough decent folks to keep me from feeling humanity is doomed.
One of my co-workers is an African immigrant. On Friday, he was explaining how the Canadian government should unilaterally remove any ability for First Nations to self-govern because having two separate legal systems is like apartheid in South Africa. That was a head-scratcher for me.
Also recently, a Chinese woman I know was explaining that Sunnybrook Hospital is a high-quality healthcare centre because they even have white nurses working there.
Why is one of those a slur and the other not, if both describe the same music by associating it with a racially distinguishable audience? If Reggae is called “island music” is it a racial slur to refer to the fact that the music originated with people who come from islands?
Did African Americans not come originally from a place where the jungle predominates as a bioform, and bring their cultural musical styling with them from said provenance? And voluntarily choose to associate themselves with that musical genre through the present era?
Jungle is what they played in the front room of Buzz in the 90s. I couldn’t dance to it. I preferred trance or house.
You’re wrong and a stroll through Wiki could teach you about Savannah v jungle v desert on the African landmass and proportions thereof, and even if you weren’t, ‘But it’s TRUE!’ doesn’t keep something from being racist.
Surprises me that some people haven’t heard the term. It was widely used in times past when idiots like the one you met on the bus complained about rock music corrupting our youth. Maybe it’s a regionalism, but I didn’t think so.
As an African American, I can tell you that I’ve never in my life set foot in a “jungle”.
Jazz did not originate in a jungle.
Neither did gospel, blues, soul, rock and roll, or hip hop.
Not unless we’re talking about a jungle made out of concrete.
WTF?
I’ve run across a fair number of people like that bus guy. They were shocking at first, because I could tell there was something unreal about them, which is always a bit frightening, and it took me a while to figure out what they are DOING when they openly and loudly proclaim their whatever-ism.
What I came to recognize, is that these are a certain type of mentally ill people. They are not wildly nuts, just a specific kind of low-grade crazy, that is intriguingly identifiable, and common to every exemplar I come across.
They are always very firm and calm in expressing their insanity;
they very obviously know that almost everyone around them disagrees with their proclamations;
they are invariably PLEASED if you react negatively in response, especially if you appear to move away from them slightly;
they always have a very complete patter all worked out, which they have memorized, including multiple, inevitably circular “arguments” which they will throw at you to explain themselves, should anyone ask;
they all obviously feel that their vile opinions make them inherently superior to everyone else, which is why they are always CALM as they express them;
they purposely selected very clear known trigger words (such as jungle music) to use, in order again, to generate the reaction from listeners which reinforces their sense of accomplishment;
and like this bus guy, they very characteristically and purposely interrupt random strangers on a regular basis, in order to perform their ritual of proclaiming offense. This guy no doubt chose to use the OP, BECAUSE he was listening on earbuds.
If you listen to jungle music you may catch, Jungle Fever - YouTube …as Martha says, “this is a good thing”
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Uh, who did that? Czarcasm and some other posters here have, but the gentleman on the bus, according to the info presented in the OP, did not.
I’m not trying to defend the guy on the bus. I’m just cautioning against drawing conclusions from (mostly) non-existant data.
Besides the OP themselves seeing its racism and my believing their experience as it’s told to me, I also see that comparison in the bus guy’s comment, yes. You don’t, ok; it takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.
But when someone shows me who they are, it’s my job to see. The majority of people I’ve given the benefit of the doubt turned out to be exactly as I thought, so you can hand off my ‘caution’ to someone else b/c I won’t be needing it.
May I suggest you look up **microaggression **and see if it can be applied to your response(s)?
Then there’s this.
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Then there’s this.
[/QUOTE]Those of you who don’t want to bother, it’s a group of black men singing a song w/ the word Jungle in the title.
As to the point of their posting it, E-DUB will have to speak for themselves.
I remember this being used in one of the Rocky movies (maybe 3) to show the casual racism of Paulie. I was really young but immediately understood what was meant from the context. He kept ranting about how Rock couldn’t “train like a colored fighter” and complaining about the “jungle music” coming from the boombox.
Had I not watched the Rocky movies, I might not have heard it. However, I can’t imagine being alive today without seeing the Rocky movies.
That is extremely retrograde, an attitude that was obsolete well before the majority of Dopers were even born. But then there are still assholes arguing that women oughtn’t have the vote.
This may be a relevant point: Many years ago, I came across a product of the 1960s Black Power movement, the “Black Intelligence Test to Counter Honkeyism (B.I.T.C.H.)” — which was written to demonstrate how IQ tests are culturally/racially biased in their assumptions and questions. All the questions were ones you’d presumably get wrong if you weren’t steeped in African-American culture.
So one of the questions was: “Do the Beatles have SOUL?” (uppercase in original)
In case you’re wondering about the correct answer, it was “No.”
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Then there’s this.
[/QUOTE]First tune on the subject I would have expected is this one.
Time’s up!