Why don’t you try reading the thread. Maybe then we could all avoid the silly questions.
It really doesn’t speak to their sex lives, does it? As someone said upthread, anyone who thinks fucking a doll is ‘sex’ is just the sort of person who shouldn’t be around human women.
I do think Noone Special may have a point, though. Assuming these things could be had for very cheap, they could kill the market for people who just want a $20 blowjob from whoever’s available – we’re talking guys who are okay if she has AIDS or visible sores, as long as it’s quick and cheap. High end escorts, OTOH, are providing more than a warm body. Even their customers want to feel like there’s some reciprocity.
Yours isn’t. Some people’s is. Some people really do have good relationships, you know. I understand you always say that it’s about YOUR relationship but honestly you come across so jaded and cynical that it certainly seems like you are extrapolating to all relationships.
About the doll thing: I was thinking about this. I see benefits to it, too.
- Men who are just not interested in or ready for a relationship - there you go.
- Men and women who have a vastly different level of libido - I suppose the man could use this.
- And I guess the celebrity thing might work, too.
There is no doubt I find it a little creepy. But I agree with the people who say it’s not sex, it’s just a complicated form of masturbation. Fine, whatever floats your boat - I’m OK with whatever you do in your own home that doesn’t hurt anyone. But unless it is sentient, it ain’t sex.
Exactly how I feel about prostitution: it’s not what I’d call sex, it’s just facilitated masturbation.
Yet obviously there are a lot of guys who feel differently about it, which leads me to believe that there would certainly be a market for sexbots.
What do you think I have been doing all along?
I’m talking about the statement that:
This sounds exactly like saying “most men would prefer a human-looking female, with no mind whatsoever, rather than a real person.”
All? No. Am I unique? Don’t be silly - I’m not even the worst off that I know about. That said, I personally would find a sex-bot a complete waste of money. When you have a talent for showing someone a good time, it’s pointless wasting it on a doll that cannot possibly appreciate it. 
I did not say you actually think all relationships are just like yours (I don’t think). I just said you come off sounding that way. There is a difference.
Shakester, I see what you are saying, but even prostitution seems like a different thing to me. Mind you, I am all for prostitution, if it was legalized and regulated; I don’t actually see anything wrong with it. I do see it as sex, though, even if it is bought and paid for.
What is your definition of sex? I mean to me there are other kinds of ‘prostitution’ that don’t involve money directly changing hands. Sugar daddies, for example. But I still call all of that sex.
See link in post #19.
Are there guys out there that would prefer to have sex with a doll rather than do what it takes to get with a real woman? Sure. And there are men that prefer to fuck sheep, too.
Since these men aren’t exactly the creme de la creme by any measure that I can think of (I mean, seriously, how could any self-respecting man mount one of these things and NOT automatically feel like a sick sad joke?) I can’t see how these dolls could have an impact on the female population at all. There is no social esteem that comes with fucking an inanimate object and that’s a big reason why sex is important to most men in the first place. Anyone who thinks a doll is an adequate substitute to being found desirable by a real person is either 1) so self-deluded they need to be committed (“she really likes me!”) or 2) too emotionally indifferent/stunted/whatever to carry on a relationship with a real person, at any rate. In either scenario, few if any women would want to conjoin themselves to that type of personality. So where is the loss here? Let those men have their dollies, and the rest of society will carry on as it always has.
Does anyone really think regular run-of-the-mill men would find a doll more satisfying in the than a woman? I’m not just talking sexually, but psychologically and emotionally as well. The day a guy can tell his friends at the bar that he sleeps with a doll every night and NOT be laughed at mercilessly is the day I might start believing the foretold sex doll revolution has more to it than wishful thinking on the part of some embittered males who can’t score with the hotties and hatefully longs to turns the tables on them rather than acquire decent social skills or lower their standards a little bit.
You (and some others) seem to think men willing to fuck a sexbot is an extremely low percentage.
Lets go back to that poll were folks on the SDMB were asked what percentage of men would R A P E a woman if they could get away with it. Rape isnt exactly a touchy/feely/warm feelings kind of sex now is it?
The consensus here for something as HEINOUS as that wasnt exactly in the 0.001 percent range. It was in the 10s of percent and a fair number of folks thinking it was an even bet, if not a near home run.
I would think on average R A P I N G someone is way harder to do/swallow mentally than coming home to a fuckbot.
Which is it? Are men (statistically speaking) literally fucking pigs or guys with some self control and respect?
I don’t get this.
I get that the physical act of sex is (for most people) made better when it’s accompanied by connection on the emotional, intellectual, and even spiritual level. For a lot of people, making love is a far more satisfying experience than mere sport fucking.
But sport fucking can be a lot of fun. Even in a caring, committed relationship, a couple might sometimes want to just use each other’s bodies to get off. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, I would wager that in most relationships, sport fucking is far more common than the sort of intense love making that makes you see God.
Prostitution is basically paying for sport fucking.
In fact, I’d bet that a lot of guys that seek out prostitutes do so to fill some emotional need as well.
Now, guys who use love dolls to fill an emotional need, let’s not go down that path…
Look, there’s fucking one, and then there’s eschewing women in favor of one a la “take that, bitches!!!” Yeah, I do think an extremely low percentage of men (especially if we take prisoners out of the equation) fall in the latter camp.
No, but I don’t see what relevance this question has unless you’re suggesting men would rather rape than have consensual sex.
Why don’t you answer that question? I don’t think the vast majority of men are doll-happy pigs (most men in my experience like women as people, not sex things), so is it a surprise that I don’t think they are raping rapers, either? You seem to think someone here is advocating an inconsistent position, but I’m having a hard time figuring out who that could be.
Well, to be fair, its not that YOU or any other specific poster has that position.
Lets just put it like this. We have a poll. Lets say women here on the SDMB on average say somewhere between 20 to 30 percent of men would RAPE a woman.
Then we have another poll. Lets say women here on the SDMB on average say only a small percentage of men would fuck a fuckbot, because, you know, how sick could you possibly be? Don’t you know what “real” sex is? And so on and so on…
I see some serious incongruity there myself.
Sorry bout that. Not so much arguing with you. More arguing with the statistical “you”.
The problem with your analysis is that these two people do not and have never inhabited the same dating spheres to a degree worth serious contemplation. So adding a sex doll to the equation does nothing to alter their interaction and changes nothing.
Goldigging women are attracted to men with power and status.
Men with power and status, generally speaking, do not have to settle for sexbots. They have plenty of options, most of which are preferable to humping plastic. He could pair up with a trophy wife, golddigger type who uses sex to get things from him. Or he could pair up with someone who is not out to get his money but is attractive enough to make an old man smile and is good in bed, but probably won’t do the necessary surgeries to keep her looking 20 years old for ever. Or he could pair up with someone who has plain jane looks, but is fabulous in bed and could care less about his money or chasing youth. Or any of the combination above.
So ask yourself why do these type of men end up with hot trophy, goldigging wives that sexually manipulate them. It’s not because they can’t find alternatives necessarily. Often it is because these men want status. Status that only that the barbie doll type can bring (in their minds). This is status that a doll could never give.
People who think the sexbot craze is about to sweep the nation underestimate the social motivations underlying our sexual ones. Men who sleep with dozens of prostitutes aren’t studs; they are losers. Men who sleep with dolls don’t incite envy; they invite pity or laughter. This cuts across all cultures and socio-economic strata. I see no sign that this is changing.
You know these polls aren’t very scientific, right? So 20% of women for one poll may not be the same 20% for another. Since the behavior of men is under discussion in both scenarios, why be so fixated on the opinion of women anyways? I’d be much more interested in seeing how the responses of men compare across questions.
You’re still conflating sex with using dolls as a woman-substitute. Just because a dude may break down and pay for a prostitute one night doesn’t mean that is his preference over free, consensual sex with a partner who desires him.
And some times those gold digging women are women (that make Rosanne Barr look like a centerfold) who are just looking to trade up to a double wide trailer from the shanty they currently live in and will nag “their” man to death anytime they arent fucking (and probably sometimes during the actual fucking) because they arent making enough, or put the toilet paper roll on backwards or whatever.
You make the mistaken assumption that gold diggers are at one end of the spectrum.
Power and status are relative to the golddigges current socio economic sexual desirable status . The ones at the lower end overall are replaceable by fuckbots IMO.
Obviously too nuanced for me, then. But then, jaded and cynical as I may be, I seem to be the one arguing for staying with a woman out of love and loyalty, rather than insisting that the relationship can be objectively justified by a cost/benefit analysis.
I guess you missed the bit a couple of posts later where I said my first post in this thread (the one you quoted) was parodying earlier posts.
That’s the trouble with satire and sarcasm online - it will inevitably get taken seriously.
Well, perhaps it’s a grey area. Me, I see no appeal in prostitution, but it’s obviously very popular with a lot of people.
That’s not to say I have a problem with prostitutes, I’ve actually met quite a few and been friends with a couple. I have no problem with people who choose to do it, it just does not appeal to me in the slightest.
I am, basically, a romantic. To me, sex is something that’s shared between two people. If the balance of power is skewed, it becomes something else. So, rape is not sex, it’s sexual assault. Prostitution is not sex, it’s assisted masturbation.
I’m male, I know how much self-deception is involved in a lot of male sexuality. Men who use prostitutes (and I’ve known some of them, too) invariably kid themselves into believing that the prostitutes really like them. But, having known prostitutes, they really don’t like their clients, at best they prefer some to others. Prostitutes do not respect their clients, and generally they despise them.
Anyway, that’s my definition: if the balance of power is too unequal, it’s not what I’d call “real sex”, to me it’s not so far removed from using a sex doll.
Nothing against sport fucking, but I see a huge difference between two people hooking up in a bar for a one-night-stand and using the services of a prostitute.
And as I was just saying, men might well use prostitutes to fill an emotional need, but if it’s based on money, they’re not getting real emotional support, they’re paying someone to pretend to care. That level of self-deception is beyond me.
And women use prostitutes as well, on occasion. Sex tours of third world countries is not an exclusively male behaviour.