Every state is entitled to a representative. zev postulated that the “new” Hawai’i would be entirely composed of uninhabited land, and thus would have no representative to send.
Even if a law passes Constitutional muster, it remains subject to physical laws, you know.
Look at my address. I am a resident although I choose to spend most of time elsewhere. If you think it’s ridiculous and would never hold up, look up the lawsuit involving Cheney being a considered a Wyoming resident for the purposes of the 2000 election.
Not Kamehameha; I was thinking of smaller, less well-funded schools. I’m 99 percent sure Kamehameha’s curriculum, with the exception of foreign languages, is taught in English. I’ve never met a Kam school graduate that was even close to fluent in Hawaiian.
I’ve looked into it deeper and I see there is actually more than one language immersion school and that they’ve been around more or less since the late 1970s. Kind of surprising, especially since the state university didn’t have a degree program for Hawaiian until 1997 or so.
OK, that’s easily solved. Have the remainder of the state become the Mauna Loa Caldera National Park. Now it’s federal property and you CAN’T live there. Problem solved.
Zev Steinhardt
Sure you can. People rent cabins on long-term leases from the Dept of the Interior.
Secession will not happen. They’ve always bandied this about, even back when we lived there. That separatist group IS a fringe group, but they take themselves very, very seriously, so as long as they don’t start sending suicide bombers or car bombs, they’re allowed out to play. Or at least that’s the way it was when we were there, and I’ve heard nothing to the contrary since then.
US statehood is like joining the Mafia: Once you’re in, there’s no getting out. The Civil War settled that. Also, besides tourism, the US military contributes much to the local economy, which would be hurt by a military and government pullout.
I think he tried, but we ignored it and he lost (even if he won it wouldn’t mean squat since the US doesn’t ackowlege ICJ jurisdiction). Besides for the pretender to the Hawaiian throne to have standing he’d need to prove that the monarchy was never legally abolished in the first place.
Obviously, in this case, the Dept. of the Interior won’t be renting cabins in the middle of the caldera.
Zev Steinhardt
Besides the fact that the majority of the population would be against it, which separatist movement do you follow? Besides the one already linked to, there is this one which says it is the legitimate government of Hawaii under US occupation and they have filed complaints against the US before the UN Security Council and the international court in The Hague in 2001. But I bet they don’t agree with the other group about who should be in charge when comes the Revolution.
i think this statement is pretty racistic
what gives USa the right to rule over another nation like that?
to be frank, i’ve never seen upon Hawaii as an American state
Why? It is an American state. You would be hard pressed to find an American that says that. It is different from the rest in lots of ways but so is Alaska, Southern Louisiana, and parts of California. Statehood is a binary switch, either you are or you aren’t. Hawaii is a state.
Guns.
Lots and lots of guns.
Here’s the thing. Very few people who live in Hawaii think Hawaii is another nation. Some native Hawaiians might think Hawaii should be separate, but native Hawaiians are a small minority in Hawaii.
So who gets to decide if Hawaii should be independent? Even if we stipulate that only the residents of Hawaii should decide on Hawaiian independence and that the rest of the United States has no say, you aren’t going to have a more than a minority of even native Hawaiians advocating independence. Even if a majority of native Hawaiians wanted independence, why should only their wishes count? What about people of other ethnicities that live in Hawaii?
Hawaii is not a separate nation. What gives France the right to rule over French Giuana, or Brittany, or Corsica? What gives Germany the right to rule over Bavaria, Hannover, and all the formerly independent states of the Holy Roman Empire?
The answer is that governments are established through the consent of the governed, and almost all people who live in what is now Germany don’t want independence from Germany. Why should the minority that wants independence get their way, when the majority doesn’t want independence?
What was racist about it? Even most ethnic Hawaiians don’t follow this fringe group. Do you simply think they all do because you think they should, or what? And your last sentence is confusing. Do you mean you don’t think it IS a state??
I am completely mystified what the OP found to be racist by my comment. Is he just trying to be contentious?
I have to ask if he thinks Hawaii is nothing but a bunch of poor natives being oppressed by the white man. If he actually went there, he might see a different reality.
non outside USA say that they are going to travel to USA when they are going to take a trip to Hawaii
Aside from which, I don’t see the ethnic Japanese or Chinese or Angles living there deciding to abruptly support a self-centered ethnic Hawaii-an monarchy.
Oh, you think the new Hawaii-an government would be a democracy? Funny. That’s what they’ve got now.
EDIT: Post deleted because I figured out what he was saying. Will try again.
Do you mean that no one outside of the US says he or she is going to the US when going to Hawaii? That people say they are going to Hawaii instead? They say “Hawaii” instead of “the US”??? So what? I’ve said, “I’m flying to Los Angeles tomorrow,” but Los Angeles is part of the US. And have you surveyed every person who has flown to Hawaii to see what all of them say? Because that’s a very broad statement you’ve made.
I’ve found that many foreigners have a concept of geography and will often indicate where in the US they are going when going to well known locations. Most everybody knows where New York City, California or D.C. are. Oak Brook? Not so much.