And we know she fired the librarian. Even just asking (which is NOT all she did) is out of line, though, don’t agree?
I get that all the time. You can take everything in the post you’re quoting from now as non-satirical.
Huh? I didn’t change the quote. I cut and pasted it directly from the link.
She’s a shrill screeching harpy, and so is everyone involved with the McCain campaign for the last week. All we’ve been hearing about is contrived accusations of sexism designed to shield her from real questions and criticism regarding her extreme social views and her ethical problems.
Be honest, aren’t you a little bit worried about putting a creationist, would be book banning, “Iraq is a mission from God,” totally unqualified, power abusing, global warming denying, homophobic, secessionist marrying, Bridge to Nowhere lover in Oval office?
How right wing does somebody have to be before it bothers you?
Cite? Has she broken the law is this regard? Has she prevented people from having abortions? If not, then your point is false.
If Americans democratically so decide, I think it would be a mistake, but it’s their - including your choice.
So do many other Americans. Others, like yourself, disagree.
I have a good idea of how difficult it is to raise a disabled child, and the stresses it can place on the family. Abortion is very much the easy option.
You’re wrong on the first, and Pope John Paul II fit the rest when he was alive, and he was a great man, wasn’t he?
Seems like she pretty much cleaned house once she became mayor. I don’t know if the firing was related to her requests about banning books.
Your original paraphrase, ie that she called Hillary a whiner. The actual quote is pretty toothless, and wouldn’t do the Democrats any good to try and use it against her.
I don’t know much about her politics, but I hope to learn more over the next few weeks. She’s probably too right wing for me, but I’ll still defend her against what I see as a smear campaign. But I like the secessionist marrying part! Nothing wrong with shaking things up a bit every now and again. Thomas Jefferson would probably be proud.
Who said she broke the law? I said she wants to changep the law.She does not believe anyone should have a choice and wants to put herself in a posituion to remove that choice.
It’s actually not a democratic choice in the US, it’s a standing Supreme Court interpretation of Constitutional rights. It can’t be changed by a vote, but the standing decison ca be struck down by he addition of one more conservative justice (who areappointed by the President).
Your point about America having a democratic choice about who becomes President is true but irrelevant. This whole discussion is about that choice. Just saying its a choice is not an argument in favor of that choice (and no, it’s not MY choice).
And they’re wrong. So what. This threadasks independents for their opinions. I’m giving my opinion. How is that fact other people have other opinions a relevant response?
I’ve worked with disabled people professionally for ten years. Abortion is not the “easy” otion and almost nobody takes it, regardless of their position on the legality of abortion. My wife is 8 months pregnant right now. We did the DS test with this kid and with our other twokids. We decided before the test that we would have the kid regardless. My wife is pro-choice. I am one of the few who will admit to being not just pro-choice, but pro-abortion. It was still an instant decision on our part that we would still want a DS baby, though. Does that make us virtuous?
I’m right on the first. Maybe, because you’re across the pond, you don’t really know what a sparsely populated Alaska is or how little a year and half experience governing a non-continental state really qualifies someone for federal, executive office, no matter what the American right tries to tell you, she’s unqualified. And the right was saying the same thing about Tim Kaine (who has been governor longer of a much larger state, and who before thatwas mayor of a much larger city) when they thought Obama would pick him as his Veep
As for JPII, he wasn’t trying to become the 2nd most powerful person in my government. We keep our religion out of our state over here (at least we’re supposed to).
Imagine if Michelle Obama had belonged to an anti-American separatist group with a founder who had said extremely hostile things about America. Image that Barack had attended their conventions and addressed them, congratulating them on a “job well done,” as recently as last year. Do you think Sean Hannity might bring it up?
I come from a ‘religious rightie’ community which is fairly homogenized with southern evangelicals. I used to have to sit and watch Billy Graham and Jerry Falwell, and members of our church constantly traveled to southern U.S. Baptist churches for conferences and such. I think I have a pretty good handle on who those people are.
Here in Alberta, we have several varieties of Christian Conservative. Harper, our Prime Minister, is more of the Alaska style - he came from a near-libertarian economics background at the University of Calgary, was active in a party that occasionally threatened secession, etc. While he’s a social conservative, you’ll note that our Canadian government is not jamming the social conservative aspect down our throats. They are more interested in things like empowering communities and reforming government. Their social conservatism generally takes the form of wanting to make sure that families aren’t discriminated against and that local communities retain a certain amount of autonomy. It also gets expressed in tax policy, with directed tax breaks to help families. But then, that’s what Obama wants to do, too.
The other side of my religious background is that of western Mennonites, which are very socially conservative, and get along fine with Southern Baptists, but are not at all the same. For one thing, they are pacifists. For another, their big issue has always been freedom to follow their own religion and teach their children in religious schools and such.
Then you have another group, which I’m also very familiar wth, and they are everywhere - the people who claim to be Christian Conservatives but are really just very angry people who hate liberals. They’e Christian in name only. They don’t attend Church regularly, they drink and smoke and swear and bit about the left. Often poorly educated and dogmatic in worldview. They are the stereotypical ‘rednecks’, and they give all the rest of them a bad name, as do the ‘Christian’ leaders who pander to them. You find people like that in the black community as well - the Al Sharptons who rile people up and use the black religious community to further their own ends and direct anger at the man.
Imagine if Barack Obama had belonged to a church with a preacher who had said extremely hostile things about America.
Quite frankly, I think the leadership of the United States deserves to have extremely hostile things said about them. The government has done things far more damaging than the use of harsh language.
If you think it’s important, come out and say it. Sean Hannity’s opinion has nothing to do with the thread.
Harper’s government is also a minority government, which means if he tried proposing social conservative legislation, it probably wouldn’t pass and may even trigger a Liberal-New Democrat coalition challenge to his government. The mere fact that they aren’t “jamming the social conservative aspect” down any throats now doesn’t mean they wouldn’t if they had a healthy majority in the parliament.
But comparing the Canadian Conservative party and their governing style/situation to the Republicans is a bit too apples and oranges in the first place. On average, the Canadian political spectrum is a bit more to the left of the American spectrum, and Alaska is much more in the America spectrum than the Canadian one.
I would seriously wonder about Obama’s loyalties, and don’t try to compare it Wright. It’s not there. Obama had a preacher who once rhetorically opined (during sermon that Obama did not attend) that other countries were saying “God damn Ameria” (a quote that has been deceptively truncated to make it seem like Wright was expressing his own opinion). Trinity Church was not anti-American, and did not advocate separatism from the US.
Still anyone who thought Trinity was relevant should be even more concerned about Palin’s associations (not only with the AIP but also with her own nutburger pastor). Of course, they’re not. It’s not even being mentioned in the MSM. Once again, the “liberal media” is AWOL.
Hmm, quacks like a Rove, walks like a Rove, down like a Rove…
Here’s her inquiry according to the only period mention of the problem "“Palin said she asked Emmons how she would respond to censorship.” Which is a great question to ask of someone who is heading the Library dept. Don;t you want to know how thethat staffer would habdle a censorship inquiry?
She also gave the letter of intent to fire to the entire of the Mayor’s senior staff. None, except the Police Cheif, were actually fired. Emmons then met with Palin, and Emmons agreed to a compromise of merging the Library and Museum depts, whereupon Palin did not finalize the firing process. Reasonable compromise and had nothing to do with Censorship.
There have been so called qualified men who were elected president (Bush being one of them) Who did not do our country any good.
Obama as a Community Orgainizer did more good for the poor and less educated than most polititions. McCain included.
Being a Maverick is not always a good thing, sometimes it can be very harmful as the amount of social Mavericks that are now behind bars have testified .
I agree with this. I wish the righties would stop making this such a big deal. If anything, they should treat it like it’s a normal decision anyone would make. For one thing, It’s wrong to imply to handicapped people that their existance on earth is something that is a favor bestowed upon them by the rest of us. Plus, it’s something that, if Sarah Palin is true to her beliefs, is something she never thought twice about anyway.
My only nitpick with you is that there ARE a lot of people who abort Downs Syndrome babies, and the only people I know who have gone ahead and had them are people who were either so young when they had the baby that they didn’t have any testing and Catholics with large families. I personally know two people who aborted, and several more who had amnios with the full intention of doing so. I don’t think aborting DS babies is unusual in the least, and from what I understand, the incidence of live births has gone way down.
My wife is Pro-Choice, and has worked with people with Downs before (not children, but adults that she helped train to be independent and get jobs), and she said that she would not abort a baby that she knew to have Downs. She says that they can be perfectly happy and functional people.
I personally would prefer to abort a child with Downs or some other kind of handicap, mainly because I don’t place much value on the lives of the unborn and because I think it would be a huge burden for us to raise a Special Needs child at our age, but I wouldn’t pressure her to do so. That’s part of being Pro-Choice, having to live with the choices you give other people.
Excellent that we’ve found someone who knows about this. Could you tell us some specifics of how Obama has helped people? I mean, in terms of actual results.
I’ve got to disagree here. As I’ve mentioned before, family friends have a son who’s severely mentally disabled / autistic and I know how much it has affected them. Abortion would have been much the easier option. But it’s a personal choice. Some people have a much more casual attitude to abortion than others.
Now, don’t pretend that I’m stupid enough not to know where you think you’re going to go with this – I saw your other thread. But the facts remain that during Barack’s tenure at that organization, all of the above was certainly accomplished. What has happened since his departure may not have been the long-term results he would have liked to have seen, but that doesn’t mean that he accomplished nothing (which you are clearly implying), or that it was not worth the effort even if the results were less than desirable.
