I’m lookin’ at you, Headley LaMarr!
That’s “Hedley.”
Jeez, no wonder you people are so rapey. You can’t even control your own keyboards. 
Translate the bold part into;
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‘How dare outsiders criticize India and it’s society when the US has been just as backward as we’ve been!’*
You mentioned conservative society doesn’t necessarily correlate to more rapes, I’ll go to a different theory and say they’re more effective at silencing as many people as possible about the crime in the first place, domestic or non domestic.
Shouldn’t you and mandala be proud of the fact more people are speaking out against such attacks, rather than a suspiciously low reporting rate and a culture where to speak out about such things makes you an outcast? Or does blaming the US or ‘First World Arrogance’ make for easier consumption.
I’m extremely critical of traditional Indian society, in general, but I don’t think we can make a solid evidentiary case that India has a particularly high rape rate, right now. I have anecdotal evidence that Delhi is a terrible place for women, but that’s 1) anecdotal, 2) about one city, not the whole country, and 3) more about harrasment than rape per se. I don’t really have much belief that the published statistics are accurate (India is, outside a few circles, a highly conservative society and I suspect a lot of people don’t report sexual assaults), but I don’t have any alternative data to put forward, so I think the right thing to do here is to remain agnostic. Unless you have a more reliable study you want to quote. And, of course, for the police and courts to do their job in prosecuting rapists.
Meh. Outsiders can criticise India all they like, as long as their criticism has basis in fact. There’s plenty to criticise in India about its treatment of women, and I welcome sensible criticism wherever I find it. At the same time, I’m not going to listen to shrill screaming about rape being India’s favourite sport based off of six articles in Indian news sites, or surveys that are poorly done and clearly misleading.
Alright, if that’s what you’re stating, show us some leading alternative citations, I know you’ve provided one (http://www.promundo.org.br/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Evolving-Men-IMAGES-1.pdf) however on page 48, Indian cases of sexual violence leads the way against all the others measured (India is 24% against anyone ever, compared with a distant second of 9% for Croatia, Rwanda and Chile.
Also take note,
the percentage of men who have reported that they ever used sexual violence (against a partner or any woman) vary from 2 percent (Brazil) to 25% (In India)
this is from the PDF as well.
Maybe not rape, but sexual violence seems to be a pastime sport in India unfortunately.
Alternative citations to what? The null is that India does not have exceptionally high rates of sexual violence. You show me a credible citation that it does, and we can talk.
Sigh. You’re not really reading my comments at all are you? That particular survey has (really, really small) samples from only two cities in India(a very large, very diverse country). One of those cities is widely known for a particularly poor attitude towards women(selection bias anyone?), and the report writers don’t seem to know where the other city is located. And they’re trying to pass this report off as some sort of valid cross-country comparison. Any researcher worth their salt will know that such poor sampling procedures should not be followed in the first place and if compulsion dictates it, they should be heavily qualified in the analysis at the very least. That they have done neither makes me wary of accepting any of their results. You want to keep using them to bolster your views, go ahead.
At the same time I freely acknowledge that large parts of Indian society have a lot to do when it comes to treating women better. North/Central Indian society in particular has a lot to do to work towards gender equality, in son preference, education, work force participation, and conservative mores towards sexuality. What those conservative mores translate into is not necessarily more or less sexual violence, but poor handling of any sexual violence that does occur.
It is certain that sexual violence is one of the factors in women’s lives that needs improvement, and it’s something that Indian society has traditionally pushed under the carpet. As Kimstu noted upthread, at this point we’re experiencing a rape awareness explosion, and I’m glad that it’s being highlighted, so that we can work towards handling it better, because we certainly need to. But it’s stupid to conflate that with “India is a rapey place/culture”. It’s not that we have so many more rapes than anywhere else, it’s that we handle the ones that we do have so poorly. Here’s a quote from Amartya Sen that I agree with wholewheartedly (bold mine)
You yañ’kees don’t seem to know your best Asian bummies as well as you thought you did… Perhaps it’s time to place your bets on a different counterbalance to China. 
It’s more to do with violence against females and minors than assaults per capita. It’s endemic and deep-rooted and relates to (stems from?) their caste system.
There’s an Indian dictum used amongst the woman of the nation that goes: “If you get raped, don’t go to the police unless you want to get raped again!”
If six articles were all, tourists warnings wouldn’t be issued for female travelling to the country and foreigners wouldn’t be jumping out of hotel windows to avoid knocks at the door.
The problem with the U.S. is that once they adopt an “ally”, the rose-coloured glasses become welding goggles. That, and the whole “can’t see past their noses” / ignorance thing when it comes to affairs outside North American borders. ‘Insularity’, I think the terms is.
What views? My views are that conservative societies tend to have more sexual crime than ones that aren’t. Why should India be any different? So let’s say the link that was cited by me was not accurate enough, I’ll provide another example of how this is common in Indian society.
The eldest of five children, Raju was born to a destitute day labourer with mental health issues and his wife in a village 150 miles east of Delhi, in the vast northern state of Uttar Pradesh which has 180 million inhabitants and socio-economic indicators often worse than those in sub-Saharan Africa.* As in rural Rajasthan, where the Singh brothers came from, women in the countryside of Uttar Pradesh suffer systematic sexual harassment and often violence. Rape is common and gang rape frequent. Victims are habitually blamed for supposedly enticing their attackers. Many are forced to marry their assailants**; others kill themselves rather than live with the social stigma of being “dishonoured”. Police rarely register a complaint, let alone investigate.*
As I’ve stated previously, it should be commended people are taking issue with this properly and raising it effectively, only then will sexual crime drop. Be glad it’s being dealt with seriously in some way now.
“Us yankees” lifted sanctions against India just 13 years ago and we send India less than one twentieth of the aid funds we send to Pakistan (in absolute terms; it’d be something like 1/180th per capita.) Hell, we send twice as much to Bangladesh. India is the world’s largest arms importer but spends less than 2% of its procurement budget on American weapons (mostly because of concerns over secondary support.) Other than vague shared notions of democracy, anti-colonialism and secularism, and concerns about Islam, India and the US have almost nothing in common. Where the hell did you get the idea that India and the US are “best buddies”?
Do you have a cite to back that up?
Just so we’re clear, what you’ve quoted is not a useful cite. This is opinion. I’m asking for an actual cite, from research, done with data, not just a reporter’s opinion.
And as I’ve stated, I am glad that this issue is being highlighted, but I also think it’s important to try and be clear what the issue is. The outrage and anger and reporting in India are as much because of poor handling of the issue by police and legal system as they are because of the incidents of rape themselves. It’s not that there are exceptionally high rates of sexual crime - there is no evidence to support that idea - it is that the crime that exists is handled very badly.
It’s not about money. It’s about geopolitics.
Those are quite significant ‘nothings’.
“Pivot to Asia”; China’s rise makes for interesting bedfellows; ‘Thanks, Obama’…
Did you mean to include links?
It actually isn’t? This just came through on my Facebook feed. Badaun sisters' rape: ‘They could have been saved if police acted', says family | Badaun sisters' rape: ‘They could have been saved if police acted', says family
When was the last time two minor girls were gang raped and hung from a tree here in the US?
IMHO I think a case can be made that the stats you are quoting are all fucked up.
You’ve been here long enough to know the difference between data and anecdotes (particularly since you claimed you weren’t drawing any conclusions from the anecdotal evidence you offered earlier.)
No problem. Show me a similar recent anecdote from the US.
If the US has such a worse rape problem it shouldn’t take more than 10 seconds with Google.
I’ll wait.
Yup, just look at Europe in comparison to the US.
How is it not a useful cite? The guy has written a thorough investigation of the reasons as to why this kind of thing happens, If you bothered to read the article, you’ll see clearly statistics from the World bank the United Nations and the McKinsey institute are provided to back up the account he has written. Pretty arrogant on your part to dismiss it as ‘Opinion’
Well isn’t that a Catch-22 then? If the police don’t want to effectively handle it, it then gives license to such behavior which would be more common as a result, which would make sense due to the accounts of women being harassed on a daily basis.