Ingredient lists that don't really tell you much.

As I was swapping my empty bottle of ‘shower cleaner’ for a new one, I happened to glance at the ingredient list on the back of the bottle that I was going to discard. The components of that ingredient list caught my eye; they were virtually all just various agents, solvents and modifiers. However, none of those specific compounds had their ingredients listed. I mean, what is a “ph modifier”? Or “chelating agents”? Is that iron-related? :confused: Same with “surfactants quality control agents”; what the fuck is that? :eek: Sounds almost scary!

How can a company do this? How can they get away with such vague disclosures of their products’ contents? I see similar things going on with some food supplement products; “proprietary blends” will be the term used on ingredient labels when disclosing ingredients. It will allow companies to disclose only the type of ingredient in a product and not the amount of that ingredient in the product. It’s common in energy/weight-loss type products.

But what are the laws, specifically, regarding ingredient disclosures for consumer products? Does it vary depending on different areas of consumer products?

Very vague. Drink with that? Thanks, Repo Man.

FPLA is a good place to start. It’s gonna depend on jurisdiction. I think I’ve mentioned that one pet food product had ingredients in different languages, including for US and UK. The UK ingredients were much more general, e.g. “Colouring” vs. “FD&C Blue #1, FD&C Yellow #5.”

In the US, maybe the standards are lower for non-food like shower products?

Cleaning products only have to list the active ingredients by class, IIRC (at least in the UK). So you get things like “Contains among other ingredients, non-ionic surfactants <5%”. Seeing as you’re not ingesting it, that’s fair enough I think.

You might find more specific information in the Material Safety Data Sheet for that product (available online - Google MSDS), but yes, the labeling rules for food, drugs, and cosmetics are far more strict than for cleaning agents.

Since you ask, a pH modifier is a strong acid or base to adjust pH, and the chelating agent will be EDTA or something like it to sequester metal ions (this will either prevent discoloration or improve cleaning, depending on what sort of cleaner it is). Surfactants are detergents, and quality control agents are added to assure that quality parameters like clarity, viscosity, etc. are within specifications.

But then why bother listing them at all? Is there really anything useful in such vagueness? Or do the show it merely for public relations, i.e., to look good?

I find that most spice mixes list, as one of the ingredients (often the first…): “Spices.”

No. Really?

“Natural flavors”. Or “artificial flavors”, for that matter; what the hell are they? :confused:

If I ever go into the food manufacturing business, all my labels are going to be the same.

Ingredients: Natural flavorings, Unnatural flavorings

I had a refreshingly simple ingredient list experience yesterday.

I have a bag of dates. The back of the bag says: Ingredients - Dates.

Ingredients: Stuff.

Natural = biological sources
Artificial = non-biological sources

Which causes the eco-friendly, organic crowd to say that natural is awesome and artificial is bad, and assume the former means that strawberry flavor made from strawberries, cherry flavor from cherries, and snozzberry flavor for snozzberries. Not always. Bacteria is a biological source. So are the scrapings of an animal’s anal glands.

Some places (Trader Joe’s??) highlight that purposely to show there is no added salt, preservatives, etc.

Peanuts – Allergen Warning: may contain peanuts.

I tried fat-free half and half once.

I don’t know what the hell I was thinking.

After spitting out the coffee I had polluted, pouring out the cup, and washing my mouth out with vodka, I looked at the ingredient list. It was a paragraph long.

Regular half and half has two ingredients. And tastes good.

I don’t know what the hell I was thinking.

Obviously…‘half’ and ‘half’ = two ingredients.

I’m pretty sure they’re required to have some kind of label telling you what’s in the product. They’re vague so they can change the exact type of non-ionic surfactant they use, without having to create a whole new label. Foods do this too, by saying “may contain …” and list 2 or 3 different types of oils.

You laugh, but if they left it off some nutty:smack: parent and/or scam artist will cry to the judge: “They never told me it had nut allergens!”

Soaps, shampoos and detergents fall under a bit of a weird section of federal law in the USA. If there is a cosmetic claim to the product (“moisturizing!”, “Deodorizing!”) the label must show all the ingredients and is under the FDA’s jurisdiction. If there is a drug claim (“cures acne!”, “antibacterial!”) then it, too, must label all it’s ingredients and is regulated by the FDA. If no such claims are made other than “cleans!”, then ingredients are not required (which is why things like true animal-fat based soaps are not under the FDA’s jurisdiction, but, falls under the Consumer Product Safety Commission instead.

Cosmetics kind of fall into this grey area too - the are not fully regulated, other than colour ingredients, and it is up to the manufacturers to prove that products are safe. This is generally made easy by the simple fact that the vast majority of pretty much any cosmetic or detergent product you can find are made up of combinations of the same ingredients anyways (“Not tested on animals? Great, but that’s only because you’re benefiting from the fact that L’Oreal did it in the '50s!”) The CPSC and the FDA, as well as the manufacturers themselves, work collaboratively to verify new ingredients and formulations and act on consumer complaints within the scope of their respective jurisdictions. The FDA and CPSC have the weight of federal law behind them, so it’s not really an empty threat.

Regulatory bodies do have access to the full ingredient lists (“spices”, “aromas”) but they are generally kept from the public to protect the interests of the manufacturer. Since pretty much any dye, aroma or spice is already a known entity with known biological behaviour, there isn’t much concern that your “reformulated” shampoo will cause problems that every other shampoo has failed to cause in the history of time.
As a cynical ex-chemist (or am I always a chemist, having been one once?), the fact that consumers don’t know what a “surfactant” is doesn’t really matter. They could stick more specific ingredients on the surface, but it’s not like most people have any more of a clue what “sodium lauyl sulfate” or “sodium laureth sulfate” is, or what’s the difference (which are the most likely surfactants in the OP’s shampoo). I suppose they could just say “coconut oil derivatives” but that scares people just as much. Derivatives, what? The pH adjuster is usually just citric acid.

The most common ingredients in shampoos are Ammonium chloride, Ammonium lauryl sulfate, Glycol, Sodium laureth sulfate, Sodium lauryl sulfate, Sodium Lauroamphoacetate, Polysorbate 20, Polysorbate 80, PEG-150 Distearate, Citric Acid, Quaternium-15, Polyquaternium-10, Di-PPG-2 myreth-10 adipate, Methylisothiazolinone.

Pretty scary, but those are just the chemical names and here is what they do.

Not shampoo, but I have always wondered what is used as the propellant inside of Airwick air freshener, which claims to use “fresh air” as a propellant, which is impossible because you can’t compress air to a liquid at room temperature, or even well below, which is necessary if you want constant pressure with use; CO2 might work, but barely, and needs very high pressure (72.9 atm and 304.2 K / 88 F, which is below the 120 F maximum usually stated on aerosol cans).

The propellants in these things are usually butanes and/or propane. I’m not sure how they get away with calling it “natural air”, though they are natural gases.