And still that is not the only factor (if that was so), but we know already how the Slacker’s mind works…
It’s got to be the genes… 
My wife personally gets outstanding performance reviews. But this “Waiting for Superman” “reform” movement is a threat to her profession generally.
So that’s great if you don’t blame schools or teachers, but a very powerful group does, and makes this the default scapegoat for the test score gap they axiomatically insist cannot be anything inherent about the kids that teachers can’t change.
That was enlightening.
Do you really need it spoonfed to you, Mr Category 2?
Spatig-Amerikaner found that public schools spend, on average, $334 more on white students than on nonwhite students. That per-pupil spending disparity, when compared between schools that are mostly white and those that are comprised mostly of nonwhite students, is even more stark. In schools where 90 percent or more of students were white, per-pupil spending was $733 more than in schools where more than 90 percent of students were nonwhite. Roughly one-third of the students who are represented in the national data set attend such racially segregated schools, according to the report.
Evil or not, you’re not much of an economist if you still disbelieve it after seeing this evidence.
Evil, I worded my claim carefully, but you obviosly did not read it carefully. I’ll add bolding for emphasis:
Evil, I thought it was fishy that you posted an excerpt without a link to look it up, so I Googled. Center for American Progress, right? You left out (or more charitably, didn’t see) this part:
:dubious: Except for those things, eh? What a joke. You should be embarrassed for offering this up as supposed evidence of your position. Pfffft.
So your claim is that regular black schoolchildren receive less funding than regular white schoolchildren, and special education black schoolchildren receive less funding than special education white schoolchildren, but that there are enough special education black schoolchildren to make overall spend higher for black schoolchildren, even though they’re being discriminated against on a like-to-like basis?
Anything else? I’ve only got 41 more minutes to dunk on you fools.
My original claim was limited and straightforward: Within any given school district, black kids get more spent on their education, per capita, than is spent on white kids, per capita, in the same district. However, after seeing what you posted and everything it excluded, I’m wondering if this might not also be true for the country as a whole.
Uggh, I wasted my time. Enjoy reveling in your bigotry, asshole. That’s a shitty thing to be, and especially a shitty thing to celebrate.
There’s absolutely no reason to believe that black people are inherently inferior, on average, to others, shithead. And lots of reasons to disbelieve it. Stop spreading bigoted nonsense. Your attitude hurts kids and hurts America.
Uggh again. I hope you don’t spread this bullshit to your kids.
I asked you a question–is it your claim that black schoolchildren receive less funding than *equivalent *white schoolchildren (on a district-by-district basis)?
That is nice, we can then say in bold that **you really have an incomplete mind when dealing with cites:
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So, geneticist that in his cites call Murray and their ilk racists, citations that show interventions working for Hispanics that Murray and others said it would not work, citations about dubious studies regarding special education.
Yep, it must be incomplete genes in the Slacker’s code…
You’re begging the question, or something in that ballpark. Special education students are not aliens, or a different species. They are children who are found to need extra help to try to stay pace academically with their peers, or to get as close as reasonably possible. Therefore the same issue that incites “reformers” to gripe about “failing schools”, the lower performance on aptitude tests by black students on aptitude tests, is also what gets them disproportionately classified as “SpEd”. This then gives them a great deal of additional help from a high teacher-to-student ratio, along with “paras” (what used to be called aides) to further help them, sometimes one-on-one.
So your “comparable” caveat is bullshit. Before Brown, black kids got a lot less spent on their education, regardless of how “comparable” they were or weren’t. Now black kids get more spent on them than white kids. You can parse it out into federal vs. local, SpEd vs. reg ed, exclude nutrition programs and summer school, not to mention preschool…etc., to try to torture the data into saying something it doesn’t. But facts are facts. And facts are stubborn things, sorry pal.
This sounds to me like you’re conceding the fact that black schoolchildren in special education programs get less funding than white schoolchildren in special education programs and that black schoolchildren in regular programs get less spent on them than white schoolchildren in regular programs.
Speaking of facts being facts, is the above a fact?
Just to be clear. Your claim is that if you have two kids in the same classroom, taking the same classes, and one is white, and one is black, that the black student gets more spent on him or her?
Do both black and white schoolchildren in special education programs need this additional help? If so but black schoolchildren in special education programs are getting less of the help, isn’t that an example of the schools failing black students?
I’m saying that school districts spend more, per capita, including all sources of funding, on their black students than they do on their white students. Put another way: if an average school district gets 100 average black kids as new students one year, their budget will be higher than if they get 100 average white or Asian kids. (I think an argument can be made that more should be spent on gifted programs to equalize this, but if the money is only going to go in one direction, I’m glad the neediest get it.) If they all sat in the same classroom doing the same things, this would be impossible (as would spending less), so your question is nonsensical.
No. I’m agnostic on that question.
Now, I’ve answered many of your questions directly. I have one for you:
Are you embarrassed of your “cite” (with no link) now that I’ve showed the numerous sources of money it excludes? Or do you stubbornly stand by it? (I know you’d rather stick with “no comment”, but that’s dodging the question.)
Last call!
I don’t know what it means to be agnostic about a fact. Yes or no—do black students receive less funding than white students with similar needs?
I agree that it didn’t address the issue that upon further clarification you were discussing. I wouldn’t use the word embarrassed